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sharon ebby is an author cultural

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anthropologist

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ufologist fortian researcher and bigfoot

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investigator

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science degree a ba with a

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specialization

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in anthropology plus a certificate in

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applied anthropology

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she also has many years of experience in

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the field of investigation

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i know this for a fact conducting

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surveys

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questionnaires and interviewing

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witnesses and her book

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is epic an ethnographic

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exploration and general overview of what

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people believe

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about the cryptid called bigfoot

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otherwise known in north america

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as sasquatch this anthropological study

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covers how

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and what people understand about bigfoot

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and cryptozoology

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but focuses on the perspective of

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believers

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those with the bigfoot subculture have

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unique

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cosmologies views experiences

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and blazes them

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into areas that are different those

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biases

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help them learn understand and define

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reality in their own ways which

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colors their perspectives and helps them

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narrate and explain the phenomena

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this ethno-historical viewpoint

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including native first nation beliefs

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covered in this book as well as many

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describing folklore legends myths about

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wild men of the forest

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including place names maps five types of

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people true skeptics

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parks and forest services beave points

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the research the cultural geography the

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list goes on and on

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this is a treat i've wanted to talk to

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sharon for some time

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and here she is can't wait to bring her

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before we do if you haven't checked out

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heroparanormal.com

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check it out that's it that's my spiel

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sharon welcome to the hero paranormal

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podcast

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how you doing i'm good how are you

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i am doing a lot better now that i'm

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talking to you i'll tell you

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this book um a study in cultural

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anthropology about what people believe

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in bigfoot and sasquatch

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the the book that you just wrote is

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fascinating

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sharon it is that the the title

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for our listeners is bigfoot beyond

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pretty easy to remember and it is worth

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every penny and every second that you

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put into it

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it's a it's an amazing book how did you

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get into the cultural anthropology

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aspect

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and more importantly how did it lead you

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down this path

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years in the making i've um i've been

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doing bigfoot research for 20 years

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and before that i was a ufologist

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and when my son and nephew had a bigfoot

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sighting we were all camping in new

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mexico back in like 2001

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and they had a bigfoot experience there

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my son saw it my nephew also heard it

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we were all camping there it put a lot

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of fear into us at the time because it

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happened at night

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and that got me researching

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into can you really see a bigfoot in the

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desert because we were in

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in the desert part just near radium

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springs new mexico which is southern new

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asking questions we were ruling

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texas bigfoot research center i talked

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bigfoot field research org you know the

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during this time suddenly the el paso

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newspaper came out and my nephew brought

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the headline and it was that there was a

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horizon bigfoot

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monster um horizon city which is

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and uh i said well that's it i'm jumping

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the bigfoot research is actually what

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i was going back to school and i said

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about how do hominins or hominids

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uh i wound up going in the direction of

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which is what this book is about so it's

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not just learning about bigfoot but it's

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also learning about the people

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and how are they are how were they

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how people learn and acquire information

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norms um and all of this helps shape

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so we we learn we pick up information we

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talk to people we talk to other people

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so true it fits everywhere so this is

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our enculturation this is how we learn

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um so that's what the book is about i

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trail of bigfoot i'm really glad that

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uh texas field research and bfro because

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a broader view which i think you did

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in fact your your view was so broad sure

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have you done that and kept so motivated

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it was sheer interest and i love the

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mystery and i love solving the mystery

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uh liminalization that's a liminal state

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um position um and i tend to stay

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a little bit in that liminal state

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all the different backgrounds of people

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um and and their opinions they they

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sometimes do not mesh so who is right

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so you know some people say oh bigfoot's

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some people say no he's an animal some

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people say no he's part human

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um you know so there's there's all these

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categories um aliens some people believe

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my book is definitely not to prove

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bigfoot exists

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my book is not to prove that

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he that he's real um it's really to show

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the gamut of what people believe about

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this creature

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so well said oh my gosh so well said and

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a an excellent example of how your book

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rep

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is on page 29 if you don't mind me

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reading the very last sentence

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uh okay it says let's see here

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defining reality for each person depends

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on their social norms and interactions

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with others

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including learning in from groups

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but ultimately it is up to the

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individual

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and their own research and investigation

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as to what they think

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bigfoot is or is not and i think the

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important thing is

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bigfoot is or is not it's the mysterious

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man of the mountain at least some of us

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like myself so it took me so much later

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in life to even scratch the surface

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and the that place of in between that

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liminal state

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that moment that you know you seem to be

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a person at least

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outwardly that lives in that moment in

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that

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a liminal state

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and and how do you go about doing that i

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think it's fascinating

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just trying to stay objective i think is

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not choosing to believe

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one particular view because as soon as

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you

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bigfoot is

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as soon as you do that you pigeonholed

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it and you've completely eliminated

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in in part at least if not fully other

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categories or other

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possibilities of what bigfoot is or

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might be

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let's just say for example uh

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bigfoot is an animal there's there's no

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human

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type thinking or language or

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or anything like that you've got a

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completely different creature

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now this could be an alien creature that

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some you know that some alien dropped

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out of a ufo and

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and it's running around in the woods and

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you know there's some people who believe

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that

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but then you've got the interdimensional

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count and they say no

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no bigfoot can disappear yes he's out

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there and he may be or may not be

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alien but he's interdimensional and he

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can come and go into the third dimension

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and be

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physical and bleed and the whole bit or

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they can trans you know they can

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camouflage themselves

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and go in invisible and change their

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state and turn into an orb of light

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um and and so at that point you're

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talking about something completely

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different

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so when you peg something

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or you think you're pegging something

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you say oh this is what bigfoot is

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you're also saying it's not these other

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things

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and because i don't know and there's no

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proof we have no body we have no

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there's been dna tests but a lot of them

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wind up being

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some form of unknown primate and

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sometimes

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often there's human dna mixed in there

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and they say no no it had to have been

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contaminated

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well a lot of people say no no it's

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because they're part human

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they've they've uh crossbred there's

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native

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ethno-historical stories of how they've

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cross-bred with humans

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they'll steal women and young girls and

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take them off into the woods and

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sometimes years later they come back

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with this

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hairy hybrid child and you know there's

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these all these old stories and things

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and so how do you really know what

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what it is or what it isn't and you have

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to look at the big picture

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and i don't know it seems like the more

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you learn the less you know

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um i still am in a liminal state where i

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i don't feel comfortable saying yes it

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is this or yes it is that and

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i don't uh necessarily feel like i need

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to believe

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or choose a particular

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view of what this creature may or may

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not be so

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that's where i'm at it's a good place to

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be

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and such a good answer sharon and you

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know

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it isn't up to us in my opinion and and

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that's the problem as humans we like

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this closure

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research investigations the phenomena

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involved and the unidentified

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wondrous beings that are behind them are

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open-ended

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and the it isn't us it isn't up to us to

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put them in those

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in those cages or in those boxes but you

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know

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asking questions as big as you do in

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this book i think that you really got

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into

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i'm glad that you mentioned the lingual

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because i want to get into the lingual

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stuff but i know that you're mostly

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cultural anthropology

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i think it's uh when you said bigfoot is

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an animal you got me there

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because you know it's fascinating how

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you know as soon as we use that word

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animal we lose

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all respect for a living entity that

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shares a space with us and

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and it's just it it never

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fails to like kind of ignite something

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in me

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but um back back to the mysterious uh

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and fascinating world of bigfoot

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the the interesting the is some of the

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interesting cases

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uh i find fascinating and i'm sure

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you've heard of them are when for

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example without naming names

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a a hardcore alpha male hunter

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will come forward in a very

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you know like surrendering fashion

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you know explaining how a bigfoot just

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manhandled him you know in every way he

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wanted

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and and and this person comes forward

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where it goes against every grain or or

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you know cement that keeps that person

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together as an individual prior to

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the experience and after the experience

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they are

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more fluid and less worried about what

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people think about them

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how from an anthropological standpoint

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i think that's part of the liminal state

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um

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actually going through that and and a

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lot of times

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their liminal state

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when they're in between beliefs um but

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but sometimes it comes at the end after

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they said no

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no and now this happened to me i

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absolutely believe it

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and i don't care what anybody thinks

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because this

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this happened to me and i know what

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happened to me

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and i don't care so this this is a real

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common

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um occurrence uh with people who have

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gone

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through a change a transformation

467
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culturally um a lot of times a process

468
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it's not some it can happen overnight

469
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but generally it's a process and it's

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often a cultural one

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as well as a personal one um they'll go

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through things in their own minds

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they'll be asking questions but then

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they ask questions not to themselves

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or research that they do but they ask

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questions to other people have you

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experienced this

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did this happen to you have you ever

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heard of this did you

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did you see or hear anything like that

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um did you know and they go and they

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they find other people

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that have had these same experiences and

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that changes them

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and so i i think it's all kind of

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part of the process but it can happen at

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the beginning middle or end there's just

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no

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specific rule um when it comes to people

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um it's it's a it's kind of a you know

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you have trends

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um but uh it's it's a very personal

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thing

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so yeah yes

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it is and it really is a very personal

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thing that you have to rise above

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and because you kind of have to rise

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above yourself to be a true investigator

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which is difficult which i think you've

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really done

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in this book and thank you um yeah

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absolutely

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and that i don't care what anybody

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thinks attitude

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is just so it in my opinion

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you know it is it's that moment where

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where and it just again i hate to bring

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it up but it reminds me again of mr

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bigelow which you know that that's what

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people hold against him and

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everyone who is like him and

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unfortunately

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that i don't care uh what anybody thinks

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attitude is necessary

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to to to as you explained

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you know kind of move forward um some of

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the historical accounts in your book

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the the hairy man pictographs i wanted

519
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to jump really quick

520
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into well the creature the scale ring

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could could you kind of this is so

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interesting and

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these are some of the amazing facets

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that i think people that

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even consider themselves bigfoot expert

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00:20:07,029 --> 00:20:04,880
that you have

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00:20:08,070 --> 00:20:07,039
freely shared in this book and and i

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wanted to get into that

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like some of those just a couple of them

530
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just to kind of give people a an idea or

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or just the intensity and and creation

532
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of this book so

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yeah the creature called skell ring and

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and how

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um well do you want to talk about

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00:20:31,110 --> 00:20:30,640
spelling specifically or kathy strain's

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uh

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the manuscript on the hairy man

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00:20:37,029 --> 00:20:34,480
pictograph

540
00:20:37,909 --> 00:20:37,039
well kind of um well i want to talk

541
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about skill

542
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first the hairy man picked her up

543
00:20:41,510 --> 00:20:41,039
because i think it sort of leads into it

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which

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this is what your book does is it's it's

546
00:20:47,830 --> 00:20:45,679
like a conveyor belt of information that

547
00:20:50,149 --> 00:20:47,840
i think you've

548
00:20:52,390 --> 00:20:50,159
you've freely shared and um the the

549
00:20:53,430 --> 00:20:52,400
hairy man pictographs i mean a lot of

550
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pictographs

551
00:21:00,149 --> 00:20:56,799
petroglyphs and the like show

552
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things that people mock and

553
00:21:04,390 --> 00:21:03,760
just you know it and deface and disturb

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and

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00:21:13,029 --> 00:21:09,679
some of the greatest anchors we have to

556
00:21:17,270 --> 00:21:15,990
yes um it's true the um the

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archaeological

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um evidence of pictographs or

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petroglyphs

560
00:21:26,230 --> 00:21:25,360
um sometimes it's up to you know up to

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debate on

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on interpretation

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and sometimes we have to go back to

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whether those are

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living stories among tribal peoples

566
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today and how much has changed because

567
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culture changes over time

568
00:21:45,270 --> 00:21:44,640
but the hairy man that kathy strain has

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00:21:48,710 --> 00:21:45,280
discussed

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00:21:51,750 --> 00:21:48,720
in the in this paper um

571
00:21:54,630 --> 00:21:51,760
you know i go into that a little bit um

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00:21:56,149 --> 00:21:54,640
i had her approve that before we

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00:21:59,830 --> 00:21:56,159
published this

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00:22:02,390 --> 00:21:59,840
um but but those are those are

575
00:22:03,270 --> 00:22:02,400
pictures of that that are in well in the

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archaeology

577
00:22:06,950 --> 00:22:06,080
they have they have this it's physical

578
00:22:10,310 --> 00:22:06,960
evidence

579
00:22:11,510 --> 00:22:10,320
you know this is like an actual story on

580
00:22:14,230 --> 00:22:11,520
a rock

581
00:22:16,070 --> 00:22:14,240
you know that that someone put there a

582
00:22:17,750 --> 00:22:16,080
long time ago and what how do we

583
00:22:18,870 --> 00:22:17,760
interpret that is it really what we

584
00:22:22,789 --> 00:22:18,880
think it is

585
00:22:25,110 --> 00:22:22,799
um it the tool river indians today

586
00:22:27,110 --> 00:22:25,120
still talk about stories you know

587
00:22:30,710 --> 00:22:27,120
regarding those pictographs

588
00:22:33,990 --> 00:22:30,720
um but there's other historical accounts

589
00:22:36,870 --> 00:22:34,000
and and that goes into uh um leif

590
00:22:38,390 --> 00:22:36,880
ericsson and the uh

591
00:22:40,710 --> 00:22:38,400
the one you were talking about a minute

592
00:22:43,830 --> 00:22:40,720
ago yeah the skull ring

593
00:22:45,990 --> 00:22:43,840
um that's an old

594
00:22:47,190 --> 00:22:46,000
and an old story in mythology and

595
00:22:50,470 --> 00:22:47,200
folklore

596
00:22:52,549 --> 00:22:50,480
which uh yeah uh it was from the

597
00:22:53,110 --> 00:22:52,559
fastwatch chronicles blog and the oldest

598
00:22:57,029 --> 00:22:53,120
account

599
00:23:00,950 --> 00:22:57,039
of bigfoot was recorded in 986 a.d

600
00:23:04,390 --> 00:23:02,549
during their first landing in the new

601
00:23:06,070 --> 00:23:04,400
world the norsemen wrote about men like

602
00:23:09,990 --> 00:23:06,080
these that were horribly ugly

603
00:23:12,470 --> 00:23:10,000
hairy swarthy and with great black eyes

604
00:23:14,230 --> 00:23:12,480
um they called on going ahead they

605
00:23:16,870 --> 00:23:14,240
called this creature stellaring

606
00:23:18,870 --> 00:23:16,880
people believe the creature scouring is

607
00:23:20,470 --> 00:23:18,880
what we know today as bigfoot this is

608
00:23:23,110 --> 00:23:20,480
the earliest recording encounter with

609
00:23:26,789 --> 00:23:23,120
bigfooter sasquatch according to

610
00:23:29,270 --> 00:23:26,799
uh that writing in 2018 however

611
00:23:31,590 --> 00:23:29,280
um what i also mention after that is

612
00:23:34,549 --> 00:23:31,600
that it's not necessarily historically

613
00:23:36,149 --> 00:23:34,559
accurate because you can go to wikipedia

614
00:23:39,909 --> 00:23:36,159
of all things which is not

615
00:23:42,470 --> 00:23:39,919
necessarily the most uh reliable

616
00:23:43,750 --> 00:23:42,480
um you know if you're doing a a paper if

617
00:23:46,070 --> 00:23:43,760
you're in college

618
00:23:46,950 --> 00:23:46,080
universities and you try to write a

619
00:23:49,029 --> 00:23:46,960
paper and

620
00:23:50,390 --> 00:23:49,039
use wikipedia as one of your resources

621
00:23:51,590 --> 00:23:50,400
they're going to laugh at you say no no

622
00:23:52,950 --> 00:23:51,600
no you need to go back and find

623
00:23:55,190 --> 00:23:52,960
something reliable

624
00:23:56,950 --> 00:23:55,200
however it's great for just common

625
00:23:59,029 --> 00:23:56,960
everyday information

626
00:24:01,350 --> 00:23:59,039
and one of the and you can fact check

627
00:24:03,830 --> 00:24:01,360
some things using wikipedia and when you

628
00:24:07,029 --> 00:24:03,840
look up the scale ring

629
00:24:09,990 --> 00:24:07,039
it's it's also called scrailing

630
00:24:11,190 --> 00:24:10,000
um as mentioned by leaf's brother

631
00:24:13,110 --> 00:24:11,200
thorvald

632
00:24:14,230 --> 00:24:13,120
and he was died and buried in finland

633
00:24:17,029 --> 00:24:14,240
which is uh

634
00:24:17,750 --> 00:24:17,039
now called newfoundland now i'm in nova

635
00:24:20,950 --> 00:24:17,760
scotia

636
00:24:23,750 --> 00:24:20,960
so that's not very far away from me no

637
00:24:24,149 --> 00:24:23,760
but the natives called and this is a

638
00:24:27,269 --> 00:24:24,159
quote

639
00:24:28,710 --> 00:24:27,279
from uh wikipedia from saga of the green

640
00:24:30,549 --> 00:24:28,720
landers

641
00:24:32,950 --> 00:24:30,559
the natives called squailings by the

642
00:24:35,110 --> 00:24:32,960
norsemen return with a larger force and

643
00:24:37,110 --> 00:24:35,120
attacks orvald and his men

644
00:24:38,789 --> 00:24:37,120
the scrollings fire missiles at them for

645
00:24:41,269 --> 00:24:38,799
a while and then retreat

646
00:24:42,470 --> 00:24:41,279
bervalds receives a fatal wound and is

647
00:24:45,830 --> 00:24:42,480
buried in vinland

648
00:24:47,750 --> 00:24:45,840
his crew returns to greenland and then

649
00:24:50,870 --> 00:24:47,760
they talk about scrailing in more

650
00:24:53,190 --> 00:24:50,880
detail and uh

651
00:24:54,950 --> 00:24:53,200
they're they're talking about you know

652
00:24:58,149 --> 00:24:54,960
13th century

653
00:24:59,590 --> 00:24:58,159
um greenlanders and the sewell people

654
00:25:01,990 --> 00:24:59,600
the squarelings

655
00:25:03,830 --> 00:25:02,000
are called the fool people and they're

656
00:25:06,390 --> 00:25:03,840
known archaeologically

657
00:25:07,029 --> 00:25:06,400
they were uh the school or proto-inuit

658
00:25:10,310 --> 00:25:07,039
were

659
00:25:12,149 --> 00:25:10,320
the ancestors of all modern inuit

660
00:25:13,990 --> 00:25:12,159
okay now this was like from a thousand

661
00:25:17,590 --> 00:25:14,000
a.d in 13th century

662
00:25:18,549 --> 00:25:17,600
greenland they reached greenland by 13th

663
00:25:22,230 --> 00:25:18,559
century

664
00:25:24,710 --> 00:25:22,240
so according to again the ful the full

665
00:25:27,269 --> 00:25:24,720
people section on wikipedia

666
00:25:27,990 --> 00:25:27,279
the appalachian fool originates in the

667
00:25:31,510 --> 00:25:28,000
location

668
00:25:34,470 --> 00:25:31,520
of fuel or relocated and it was

669
00:25:36,950 --> 00:25:34,480
changed in 1953 in northwest greenland

670
00:25:43,029 --> 00:25:39,990
and at that point the it became

671
00:25:43,909 --> 00:25:43,039
it becomes clear that the hairy beings

672
00:25:46,310 --> 00:25:43,919
or these hairy

673
00:25:47,190 --> 00:25:46,320
scrailings were actually indigenous

674
00:25:49,350 --> 00:25:47,200
people

675
00:25:50,710 --> 00:25:49,360
they were screaming and wearing probably

676
00:25:52,070 --> 00:25:50,720
wearing fur skins

677
00:25:53,750 --> 00:25:52,080
rather than being creatures that

678
00:25:56,950 --> 00:25:53,760
resembled bigfoot

679
00:25:59,590 --> 00:25:56,960
so it's a matter of what was the

680
00:26:00,549 --> 00:25:59,600
uh you know how did culturally how did

681
00:26:03,510 --> 00:26:00,559
they

682
00:26:05,029 --> 00:26:03,520
see those people as the other you know

683
00:26:06,950 --> 00:26:05,039
that it's some big scary

684
00:26:08,549 --> 00:26:06,960
tribe of people out there that were

685
00:26:11,909 --> 00:26:08,559
wearing furs and

686
00:26:13,750 --> 00:26:11,919
and screaming at them at these strangers

687
00:26:14,470 --> 00:26:13,760
coming and this is how they described

688
00:26:17,830 --> 00:26:14,480
them

689
00:26:19,110 --> 00:26:17,840
and then you know fast forward hundreds

690
00:26:21,430 --> 00:26:19,120
and hundreds of years

691
00:26:22,390 --> 00:26:21,440
and how do we go back and look at those

692
00:26:24,710 --> 00:26:22,400
and and

693
00:26:25,750 --> 00:26:24,720
you know their interpretation we can't

694
00:26:28,630 --> 00:26:25,760
interpret it from

695
00:26:30,870 --> 00:26:28,640
their culture and what they saw we can

696
00:26:33,909 --> 00:26:30,880
only see their words and interpret it

697
00:26:36,149 --> 00:26:33,919
through an ethnocentric lens

698
00:26:37,350 --> 00:26:36,159
you know from what we know from with our

699
00:26:40,390 --> 00:26:37,360
enculturation

700
00:26:41,510 --> 00:26:40,400
with our beliefs and our values and our

701
00:26:44,630 --> 00:26:41,520
knowledge of

702
00:26:45,750 --> 00:26:44,640
things today and so we we tend to

703
00:26:49,110 --> 00:26:45,760
project

704
00:26:52,070 --> 00:26:49,120
um our own

705
00:26:53,110 --> 00:26:52,080
limitations in thinking we project our

706
00:26:55,110 --> 00:26:53,120
own knowledge

707
00:26:56,630 --> 00:26:55,120
and everything that we take for granted

708
00:26:59,510 --> 00:26:56,640
onto these

709
00:27:01,430 --> 00:26:59,520
interpretations and so sometimes these

710
00:27:03,590 --> 00:27:01,440
hairy man aches like creatures we find

711
00:27:07,029 --> 00:27:03,600
out they were just an indigenous people

712
00:27:08,710 --> 00:27:07,039
and so that's one of the uh one of the

713
00:27:10,470 --> 00:27:08,720
kind of a little journey that i bring

714
00:27:12,549 --> 00:27:10,480
the reader through

715
00:27:14,310 --> 00:27:12,559
so that they can realize that we we have

716
00:27:14,950 --> 00:27:14,320
to look a little deeper we can't just

717
00:27:17,269 --> 00:27:14,960
say

718
00:27:19,590 --> 00:27:17,279
oh a bigfoot the oldest bigfoot was from

719
00:27:19,990 --> 00:27:19,600
you know a thousand years ago in this

720
00:27:23,190 --> 00:27:20,000
writing

721
00:27:23,990 --> 00:27:23,200
well maybe maybe not so we we have to do

722
00:27:26,070 --> 00:27:24,000
our

723
00:27:27,110 --> 00:27:26,080
you know we have to be thorough and do

724
00:27:30,149 --> 00:27:27,120
our due diligence

725
00:27:31,190 --> 00:27:30,159
on our research and um so that's what i

726
00:27:33,350 --> 00:27:31,200
bring the reader

727
00:27:34,470 --> 00:27:33,360
through with my book is to how to think

728
00:27:37,350 --> 00:27:34,480
about

729
00:27:38,630 --> 00:27:37,360
what you believe um why do we believe

730
00:27:40,389 --> 00:27:38,640
what we believe

731
00:27:41,909 --> 00:27:40,399
and how do people believe different

732
00:27:44,630 --> 00:27:41,919
things um

733
00:27:45,190 --> 00:27:44,640
so you know cross-checking references

734
00:27:48,789 --> 00:27:45,200
and

735
00:27:52,230 --> 00:27:48,799
sometimes we'll answer these questions

736
00:27:56,070 --> 00:27:52,240
for us um but anyway that's that's

737
00:27:58,389 --> 00:27:56,080
that's my uh the take on the scrolling

738
00:27:59,750 --> 00:27:58,399
epic i love the scrambling because it

739
00:28:03,190 --> 00:27:59,760
does seem like a very

740
00:28:05,029 --> 00:28:03,200
otherworldly more powerful being than

741
00:28:07,110 --> 00:28:05,039
you know quote-unquote bigfoot is

742
00:28:08,630 --> 00:28:07,120
attributed today but then again

743
00:28:10,230 --> 00:28:08,640
you know we had people that had more

744
00:28:11,990 --> 00:28:10,240
time on their hands to actually look in

745
00:28:14,230 --> 00:28:12,000
the forest instead of quickly look at a

746
00:28:17,269 --> 00:28:14,240
video of a blob squatch on youtube

747
00:28:19,350 --> 00:28:17,279
and the interesting you know the

748
00:28:21,430 --> 00:28:19,360
development and i guess the lack of

749
00:28:24,870 --> 00:28:21,440
belief is interesting as well

750
00:28:28,470 --> 00:28:24,880
however it's still it

751
00:28:30,710 --> 00:28:28,480
from that cultural i i love the way you

752
00:28:33,830 --> 00:28:30,720
put it the enculturation

753
00:28:37,510 --> 00:28:33,840
and belief equals the projection

754
00:28:37,909 --> 00:28:37,520
and that i think that formula there's

755
00:28:40,230 --> 00:28:37,919
still

756
00:28:41,430 --> 00:28:40,240
so much belief in bigfoot that it is

757
00:28:44,870 --> 00:28:41,440
impossible

758
00:28:47,190 --> 00:28:44,880
to to deny the belief in bigfoot without

759
00:28:49,830 --> 00:28:47,200
zero evidence for most people that live

760
00:28:51,909 --> 00:28:49,840
very closely packed together in cities

761
00:28:52,950 --> 00:28:51,919
and you know it's interesting because

762
00:28:56,230 --> 00:28:52,960
there is a

763
00:28:59,190 --> 00:28:56,240
huge divide unfortunately in the

764
00:29:01,590 --> 00:28:59,200
quote-unquote uh community over over

765
00:29:04,310 --> 00:29:01,600
this particular entity that should

766
00:29:04,630 --> 00:29:04,320
not exist yet we all kind of feel like

767
00:29:06,710 --> 00:29:04,640
it

768
00:29:08,470 --> 00:29:06,720
probably should sort of like a missing

769
00:29:10,149 --> 00:29:08,480
link um

770
00:29:11,590 --> 00:29:10,159
that that huge divide is between

771
00:29:13,830 --> 00:29:11,600
physical evidence and

772
00:29:15,269 --> 00:29:13,840
anecdotal evidence here we have physical

773
00:29:17,909 --> 00:29:15,279
evidence that has

774
00:29:18,630 --> 00:29:17,919
bigfoot tracks scat blood hair pan

775
00:29:21,350 --> 00:29:18,640
prints

776
00:29:22,310 --> 00:29:21,360
rot stackings you know vocalizations

777
00:29:26,710 --> 00:29:22,320
which is

778
00:29:30,070 --> 00:29:26,720
i wanted to get into the lingual how how

779
00:29:33,510 --> 00:29:30,080
how do you mediate those

780
00:29:35,669 --> 00:29:33,520
two especially from

781
00:29:37,029 --> 00:29:35,679
an evidentiary standpoint and a book

782
00:29:39,430 --> 00:29:37,039
like you've created here

783
00:29:40,549 --> 00:29:39,440
and let me just say that from a sources

784
00:29:43,269 --> 00:29:40,559
perspective

785
00:29:45,430 --> 00:29:43,279
your foundation is solid you went above

786
00:29:48,710 --> 00:29:45,440
and beyond on all of your sources

787
00:29:51,990 --> 00:29:48,720
and i i just i'm just astounded but

788
00:29:55,029 --> 00:29:52,000
um yeah not not to blow smoke your way

789
00:29:56,389 --> 00:29:55,039
how do people you know how do you

790
00:29:59,430 --> 00:29:56,399
mediate that the physical

791
00:30:02,230 --> 00:29:59,440
and the anecdotal evidence

792
00:30:04,149 --> 00:30:02,240
it gets tough um because physical

793
00:30:06,950 --> 00:30:04,159
evidence is you know just that

794
00:30:08,230 --> 00:30:06,960
it's something that you can measure it's

795
00:30:12,070 --> 00:30:08,240
scientific

796
00:30:15,750 --> 00:30:12,080
um i mean you've you've got

797
00:30:19,350 --> 00:30:15,760
evidence like scat blood

798
00:30:22,630 --> 00:30:19,360
hair dna you've got physical

799
00:30:24,789 --> 00:30:22,640
prints in the mud traps footprints

800
00:30:26,950 --> 00:30:24,799
handprints and fingerprint sun sometimes

801
00:30:28,710 --> 00:30:26,960
they'll you know that someone will have

802
00:30:30,549 --> 00:30:28,720
be in their cabin in the woods and their

803
00:30:32,310 --> 00:30:30,559
cars outside and they'll have this

804
00:30:34,230 --> 00:30:32,320
they'll hear these noises outside and

805
00:30:35,990 --> 00:30:34,240
see a being walk by their window

806
00:30:37,750 --> 00:30:36,000
and then and and then in the morning

807
00:30:41,110 --> 00:30:37,760
though they'll see like

808
00:30:43,909 --> 00:30:41,120
a handprint on the window and it's huge

809
00:30:45,269 --> 00:30:43,919
and and you know these are all how do

810
00:30:47,029 --> 00:30:45,279
you explain that

811
00:30:49,669 --> 00:30:47,039
and then you've got the anecdotal

812
00:30:53,990 --> 00:30:49,679
evidence which is

813
00:30:56,230 --> 00:30:54,000
different kind of evidence it's it's not

814
00:30:58,389 --> 00:30:56,240
it the way i put it in the book is that

815
00:31:01,190 --> 00:30:58,399
it refers to anecdotes such as

816
00:31:03,029 --> 00:31:01,200
stories collected using informal methods

817
00:31:05,830 --> 00:31:03,039
like personal testimony

818
00:31:06,710 --> 00:31:05,840
so it's it's not that anecdotal evidence

819
00:31:11,509 --> 00:31:06,720
is

820
00:31:13,830 --> 00:31:11,519
not about what

821
00:31:14,549 --> 00:31:13,840
what is the truth it's about stories

822
00:31:17,669 --> 00:31:14,559
that kind of

823
00:31:17,990 --> 00:31:17,679
point to the truth and so um there's a

824
00:31:20,870 --> 00:31:18,000
lot

825
00:31:23,909 --> 00:31:20,880
of cultural factors um some of the

826
00:31:27,350 --> 00:31:23,919
anecdotal evidence that i list

827
00:31:28,870 --> 00:31:27,360
are um tree knocks or wood knocks what

828
00:31:30,230 --> 00:31:28,880
they call wood knocks do they hear peace

829
00:31:31,509 --> 00:31:30,240
someone's in the woods and they hear

830
00:31:33,509 --> 00:31:31,519
this wood knocking

831
00:31:35,110 --> 00:31:33,519
and they're like oh that's bigfoot but

832
00:31:36,070 --> 00:31:35,120
we don't really know because we don't

833
00:31:37,909 --> 00:31:36,080
see that

834
00:31:39,269 --> 00:31:37,919
we just know that they do that how do we

835
00:31:41,669 --> 00:31:39,279
know that because

836
00:31:42,470 --> 00:31:41,679
we someone else has heard it before in

837
00:31:45,990 --> 00:31:42,480
association

838
00:31:48,710 --> 00:31:46,000
you know sometimes

839
00:31:50,389 --> 00:31:48,720
there's smells i smelled what i believe

840
00:31:53,590 --> 00:31:50,399
is one but i can't say

841
00:31:54,870 --> 00:31:53,600
for sure i just know that what i smelled

842
00:31:58,549 --> 00:31:54,880
and what happened

843
00:32:00,149 --> 00:31:58,559
and um it's you know zapping

844
00:32:02,789 --> 00:32:00,159
and infrasound though those are other

845
00:32:04,710 --> 00:32:02,799
ones some people get um

846
00:32:06,149 --> 00:32:04,720
it's like their brain goes on the fritz

847
00:32:08,549 --> 00:32:06,159
and and uh

848
00:32:10,310 --> 00:32:08,559
they they sometimes feel sick and and

849
00:32:11,269 --> 00:32:10,320
dizzy or they feel like they need to get

850
00:32:14,310 --> 00:32:11,279
out of there

851
00:32:15,909 --> 00:32:14,320
they have um mind speak happen

852
00:32:17,990 --> 00:32:15,919
uh you know where they hear a voice

853
00:32:18,710 --> 00:32:18,000
strongly say get out of the woods or

854
00:32:21,190 --> 00:32:18,720
leave

855
00:32:22,710 --> 00:32:21,200
um sometimes people will see eye shine

856
00:32:26,470 --> 00:32:22,720
now eye shine is a different

857
00:32:29,590 --> 00:32:26,480
couple of different things um you have

858
00:32:30,470 --> 00:32:29,600
eye shine that is a reflection of a

859
00:32:32,630 --> 00:32:30,480
light

860
00:32:34,070 --> 00:32:32,640
so that could happen different animals

861
00:32:35,350 --> 00:32:34,080
have different colors of eye shine

862
00:32:38,630 --> 00:32:35,360
sometimes gold sometimes

863
00:32:41,509 --> 00:32:38,640
red sometimes green different different

864
00:32:43,509 --> 00:32:41,519
shades of different colors just but

865
00:32:45,669 --> 00:32:43,519
that's like if you shined a flashlight

866
00:32:46,710 --> 00:32:45,679
or headlights or something like that and

867
00:32:49,110 --> 00:32:46,720
their eyes shine

868
00:32:51,669 --> 00:32:49,120
with you when an animal crosses the road

869
00:32:54,950 --> 00:32:51,679
um and then you've got eye glow

870
00:32:57,590 --> 00:32:54,960
which is where there's no

871
00:32:58,149 --> 00:32:57,600
light source other than from within the

872
00:33:01,990 --> 00:32:58,159
animal's

873
00:33:03,909 --> 00:33:02,000
eyes themselves that freaks a lot of

874
00:33:05,190 --> 00:33:03,919
people out and they're often red

875
00:33:06,870 --> 00:33:05,200
when they're seen like that but not

876
00:33:07,909 --> 00:33:06,880
always red sometimes green or other

877
00:33:10,710 --> 00:33:07,919
colors

878
00:33:12,549 --> 00:33:10,720
but usually red um these are all

879
00:33:12,870 --> 00:33:12,559
anecdotal evidence these are these are

880
00:33:15,110 --> 00:33:12,880
like

881
00:33:17,190 --> 00:33:15,120
there's no proof that that happened you

882
00:33:19,190 --> 00:33:17,200
maybe you've got a picture they have

883
00:33:21,590 --> 00:33:19,200
pictures of physical evidence but then

884
00:33:24,549 --> 00:33:21,600
you get back to the interpretation which

885
00:33:25,509 --> 00:33:24,559
falls back on the cultural aspect

886
00:33:28,230 --> 00:33:25,519
camouflage

887
00:33:29,110 --> 00:33:28,240
people seeing bigfoot go invisible

888
00:33:31,909 --> 00:33:29,120
seeing bigfoot

889
00:33:33,669 --> 00:33:31,919
swimming their diet that they eat things

890
00:33:35,669 --> 00:33:33,679
that they hunt

891
00:33:37,110 --> 00:33:35,679
whether they live in caves people that

892
00:33:40,310 --> 00:33:37,120
get trauma and

893
00:33:42,950 --> 00:33:40,320
serious ptsd symptoms from

894
00:33:44,149 --> 00:33:42,960
seeing a bigfoot having a one of my own

895
00:33:48,950 --> 00:33:44,159
witnesses

896
00:33:52,149 --> 00:33:48,960
um juliana perez she's

897
00:33:54,389 --> 00:33:52,159
had a bigfoot attacker in

898
00:33:55,509 --> 00:33:54,399
uh outside of el paso and horizon

899
00:33:58,310 --> 00:33:55,519
horizon city is

900
00:33:59,190 --> 00:33:58,320
is again what where i had did the first

901
00:34:01,190 --> 00:33:59,200
bigfoot uh

902
00:34:02,630 --> 00:34:01,200
investigation i ever did was right there

903
00:34:05,590 --> 00:34:02,640
out in the desert

904
00:34:06,070 --> 00:34:05,600
and um it just seems there's these

905
00:34:08,310 --> 00:34:06,080
trends

906
00:34:10,389 --> 00:34:08,320
and things that happen in in dead

907
00:34:13,589 --> 00:34:10,399
sightings um

908
00:34:15,669 --> 00:34:13,599
and one of them is is that these these

909
00:34:17,510 --> 00:34:15,679
people that see them get very scared and

910
00:34:19,829 --> 00:34:17,520
you know she had physical evidence

911
00:34:21,030 --> 00:34:19,839
this thing tried to attack her she

912
00:34:24,389 --> 00:34:21,040
actually had

913
00:34:26,230 --> 00:34:24,399
um burn type marks on her body where it

914
00:34:27,270 --> 00:34:26,240
touched her with some kind of what she

915
00:34:30,470 --> 00:34:27,280
thinks with some kind of

916
00:34:31,510 --> 00:34:30,480
energy because it barely touched her and

917
00:34:34,230 --> 00:34:31,520
yet it burned her

918
00:34:36,310 --> 00:34:34,240
for three days and she smelled sulfur

919
00:34:37,669 --> 00:34:36,320
even in her hair like it was emanating

920
00:34:41,190 --> 00:34:37,679
from her body

921
00:34:43,510 --> 00:34:41,200
and so this is physical evidence but the

922
00:34:44,869 --> 00:34:43,520
the you know we got pictures with your

923
00:34:47,829 --> 00:34:44,879
physical evidence

924
00:34:49,109 --> 00:34:47,839
but of her you know wounds and scratches

925
00:34:50,550 --> 00:34:49,119
on her legs and things where she was

926
00:34:51,829 --> 00:34:50,560
trying to get away from this thing

927
00:34:54,869 --> 00:34:51,839
through the brush

928
00:34:57,030 --> 00:34:54,879
um and anything that happens with

929
00:34:58,550 --> 00:34:57,040
paranormal bigfoot intelligence bigfoot

930
00:34:59,430 --> 00:34:58,560
families these are all anecdotal

931
00:35:03,190 --> 00:34:59,440
evidence

932
00:35:04,550 --> 00:35:03,200
um and you know trying to sometimes they

933
00:35:07,510 --> 00:35:04,560
overlapped

934
00:35:08,950 --> 00:35:07,520
um you know a bigfoot attacked me that

935
00:35:10,710 --> 00:35:08,960
is

936
00:35:12,630 --> 00:35:10,720
you know if you have physical evidence

937
00:35:15,430 --> 00:35:12,640
of that that's one thing

938
00:35:15,670 --> 00:35:15,440
um but then there's the cultural aspect

939
00:35:34,470 --> 00:35:15,680
i

940
00:35:36,630 --> 00:35:34,480
back

941
00:35:37,829 --> 00:35:36,640
so maybe it had been filled in we don't

942
00:35:40,630 --> 00:35:37,839
we don't know

943
00:35:43,190 --> 00:35:40,640
but when i interviewed her husband he

944
00:35:44,630 --> 00:35:43,200
verified yeah my wife was screaming she

945
00:35:46,550 --> 00:35:44,640
went to the bathroom

946
00:35:48,950 --> 00:35:46,560
and you know right behind the trees here

947
00:35:50,390 --> 00:35:48,960
in the brush and then she was screaming

948
00:35:51,510 --> 00:35:50,400
and running back and forth and we were

949
00:35:54,150 --> 00:35:51,520
trying to get her

950
00:35:55,829 --> 00:35:54,160
and and that scared him very badly it

951
00:35:58,550 --> 00:35:55,839
scared her very badly

952
00:35:59,750 --> 00:35:58,560
and but but the clincher was the little

953
00:36:02,870 --> 00:35:59,760
boy

954
00:36:04,950 --> 00:36:02,880
their son and he was only

955
00:36:06,470 --> 00:36:04,960
i'm thinking if i remember like he was

956
00:36:11,030 --> 00:36:06,480
about six

957
00:36:14,310 --> 00:36:11,040
and when i spoke with him

958
00:36:15,750 --> 00:36:14,320
he he got very quiet and he didn't want

959
00:36:17,750 --> 00:36:15,760
to tell me

960
00:36:19,589 --> 00:36:17,760
um and i said it's okay i understand you

961
00:36:21,750 --> 00:36:19,599
don't have to talk to me about it

962
00:36:23,670 --> 00:36:21,760
and he says it's because i was afraid

963
00:36:27,030 --> 00:36:23,680
for my mom

964
00:36:28,630 --> 00:36:27,040
and he started almost crying because

965
00:36:30,390 --> 00:36:28,640
this little child had

966
00:36:32,630 --> 00:36:30,400
heard his mother screaming and trying to

967
00:36:35,510 --> 00:36:32,640
get away from this bigfoot attack

968
00:36:37,109 --> 00:36:35,520
and it affected him and they all hot you

969
00:36:37,589 --> 00:36:37,119
know she got out they were able to get

970
00:36:40,550 --> 00:36:37,599
her out

971
00:36:41,190 --> 00:36:40,560
and and from behind the brush she found

972
00:36:42,790 --> 00:36:41,200
an opening

973
00:36:45,109 --> 00:36:42,800
she said they ran to the car and they

974
00:36:47,990 --> 00:36:45,119
took off and she had these

975
00:36:49,829 --> 00:36:48,000
marks on her afterwards and so where are

976
00:36:53,030 --> 00:36:49,839
those anecdotal evidence

977
00:36:56,230 --> 00:36:53,040
and which is stories you know

978
00:36:58,870 --> 00:36:56,240
this little boy's story about his mother

979
00:37:00,630 --> 00:36:58,880
and this happens very real to him am i

980
00:37:04,230 --> 00:37:00,640
going to call this child a liar

981
00:37:05,990 --> 00:37:04,240
no way it was clear very clear i've

982
00:37:06,390 --> 00:37:06,000
interviewed so many people and you just

983
00:37:09,030 --> 00:37:06,400
don't

984
00:37:09,990 --> 00:37:09,040
find something like that within a small

985
00:37:13,349 --> 00:37:10,000
child

986
00:37:13,990 --> 00:37:13,359
um so with that in the physical evidence

987
00:37:15,510 --> 00:37:14,000
you just

988
00:37:17,750 --> 00:37:15,520
you kind of just have to weigh

989
00:37:19,510 --> 00:37:17,760
everything out these are the kinds of

990
00:37:21,990 --> 00:37:19,520
stories where i go oh

991
00:37:22,550 --> 00:37:22,000
we're really dealing with a real entity

992
00:37:25,030 --> 00:37:22,560
something

993
00:37:25,829 --> 00:37:25,040
but what is it is it interdimensional is

994
00:37:27,270 --> 00:37:25,839
it physical

995
00:37:29,430 --> 00:37:27,280
and those are the things we have to

996
00:37:31,750 --> 00:37:29,440
weigh out in the long run in the and

997
00:37:33,190 --> 00:37:31,760
it gets hard it gets really difficult

998
00:37:34,550 --> 00:37:33,200
and i think that's why i tend to stay

999
00:37:37,190 --> 00:37:34,560
open-minded

1000
00:37:37,910 --> 00:37:37,200
to the answers whereas other people will

1001
00:37:41,190 --> 00:37:37,920
just say no

1002
00:37:43,270 --> 00:37:41,200
it's this or that or the other um

1003
00:37:44,950 --> 00:37:43,280
it the whole book is to get people to

1004
00:37:49,109 --> 00:37:44,960
think i i really

1005
00:37:51,990 --> 00:37:49,119
try to educate the reader as to you know

1006
00:37:52,790 --> 00:37:52,000
how to think about things because these

1007
00:37:56,069 --> 00:37:52,800
are

1008
00:37:58,150 --> 00:37:56,079
weird topics

1009
00:38:00,230 --> 00:37:58,160
bigfoot is is not something that's

1010
00:38:02,550 --> 00:38:00,240
scientifically proven and accepted by

1011
00:38:05,750 --> 00:38:02,560
the scientific community

1012
00:38:07,990 --> 00:38:05,760
dna evidence or not um there's still

1013
00:38:10,150 --> 00:38:08,000
the interpretation factor about that

1014
00:38:10,950 --> 00:38:10,160
evidence and that's where culture comes

1015
00:38:12,790 --> 00:38:10,960
in

1016
00:38:14,630 --> 00:38:12,800
and that's where we have to look you

1017
00:38:16,870 --> 00:38:14,640
know people project

1018
00:38:20,230 --> 00:38:16,880
um there's this thing called that i call

1019
00:38:22,470 --> 00:38:20,240
the symbolic cultural projection effect

1020
00:38:24,550 --> 00:38:22,480
um now symbolic culture deals with

1021
00:38:25,670 --> 00:38:24,560
philosophical concepts and united

1022
00:38:27,829 --> 00:38:25,680
beliefs so

1023
00:38:29,910 --> 00:38:27,839
things like us versus them this kind of

1024
00:38:30,950 --> 00:38:29,920
concept or that the rich are smarter

1025
00:38:33,510 --> 00:38:30,960
than the poor

1026
00:38:35,670 --> 00:38:33,520
there's concepts of good versus evil or

1027
00:38:37,190 --> 00:38:35,680
that currency has value all those are

1028
00:38:40,470 --> 00:38:37,200
symbolic culture

1029
00:38:42,150 --> 00:38:40,480
um aspects and then we have projection

1030
00:38:43,910 --> 00:38:42,160
which is a psychological defense

1031
00:38:45,510 --> 00:38:43,920
mechanism where personal feeling or

1032
00:38:48,790 --> 00:38:45,520
belief is projected

1033
00:38:51,190 --> 00:38:48,800
on to someone or something else so

1034
00:38:52,630 --> 00:38:51,200
let's say like a cheating husband blames

1035
00:38:54,790 --> 00:38:52,640
his wife for cheating

1036
00:38:56,150 --> 00:38:54,800
when he's really the one doing it and he

1037
00:38:58,310 --> 00:38:56,160
feels guilty about that

1038
00:38:59,510 --> 00:38:58,320
until he projects that cheating on to

1039
00:39:02,230 --> 00:38:59,520
her to blame her

1040
00:39:03,349 --> 00:39:02,240
to is a form of self-denial and that's

1041
00:39:06,710 --> 00:39:03,359
that's real common

1042
00:39:09,990 --> 00:39:06,720
um projection people project also um

1043
00:39:11,670 --> 00:39:10,000
so the term i use is symbolic cultural

1044
00:39:14,950 --> 00:39:11,680
projection effect

1045
00:39:17,349 --> 00:39:14,960
which can be a human

1046
00:39:19,510 --> 00:39:17,359
example it can be a human attribute or

1047
00:39:23,510 --> 00:39:19,520
concept assigned to bigfoot

1048
00:39:26,230 --> 00:39:23,520
in order to explain it so

1049
00:39:26,870 --> 00:39:26,240
it could be let's say a person believes

1050
00:39:28,630 --> 00:39:26,880
in

1051
00:39:30,310 --> 00:39:28,640
peace there there's like a peaceful

1052
00:39:32,710 --> 00:39:30,320
person uh

1053
00:39:34,470 --> 00:39:32,720
they wish there was world peace and and

1054
00:39:36,710 --> 00:39:34,480
they think everybody should get along

1055
00:39:38,310 --> 00:39:36,720
and they love animals and so they figure

1056
00:39:41,750 --> 00:39:38,320
bigfoot is a peaceful

1057
00:39:44,310 --> 00:39:41,760
being so they they use that symbolic

1058
00:39:46,630 --> 00:39:44,320
cultural projection effect to

1059
00:39:47,750 --> 00:39:46,640
project onto the bigfoot they're what

1060
00:39:49,750 --> 00:39:47,760
they believe

1061
00:39:50,870 --> 00:39:49,760
about themselves or other people or

1062
00:39:53,990 --> 00:39:50,880
other animals

1063
00:39:55,829 --> 00:39:54,000
uh if they fear monsters you know they

1064
00:39:56,950 --> 00:39:55,839
may fear bigfoot and say no it's a

1065
00:39:59,829 --> 00:39:56,960
monster

1066
00:40:01,589 --> 00:39:59,839
um and this is you know like without

1067
00:40:04,710 --> 00:40:01,599
having an experience of their own

1068
00:40:06,790 --> 00:40:04,720
just beliefs um joseph campbell talked

1069
00:40:10,550 --> 00:40:06,800
about types

1070
00:40:10,790 --> 00:40:10,560
and and myths um bigfoot can be a kind

1071
00:40:14,150 --> 00:40:10,800
of

1072
00:40:16,150 --> 00:40:14,160
mono myth um which is a single myth

1073
00:40:18,710 --> 00:40:16,160
template like archetypes

1074
00:40:19,670 --> 00:40:18,720
it can be a friend a trickster a

1075
00:40:22,309 --> 00:40:19,680
guardian

1076
00:40:23,349 --> 00:40:22,319
a shadow being or even a hero in some

1077
00:40:26,230 --> 00:40:23,359
cases

1078
00:40:28,349 --> 00:40:26,240
um and then not with not only projection

1079
00:40:30,390 --> 00:40:28,359
but we have anthro morph

1080
00:40:33,750 --> 00:40:30,400
anthropomorphization which is projecting

1081
00:40:37,030 --> 00:40:33,760
one's own ideas and habits onto bigfoot

1082
00:40:38,150 --> 00:40:37,040
like progressive insurances uh

1083
00:40:40,230 --> 00:40:38,160
commercial

1084
00:40:41,910 --> 00:40:40,240
where it assigns the name daryl to

1085
00:40:43,750 --> 00:40:41,920
bigfoot which happened we saw that in

1086
00:40:46,950 --> 00:40:43,760
commercials last year

1087
00:40:50,390 --> 00:40:46,960
um and geico's class watch

1088
00:40:52,870 --> 00:40:50,400
using a toilet or taking selfies

1089
00:40:53,910 --> 00:40:52,880
or the caveman at the airport those

1090
00:40:56,589 --> 00:40:53,920
commercials

1091
00:40:57,910 --> 00:40:56,599
um that's the way that we answer people

1092
00:40:59,829 --> 00:40:57,920
anthropomorphized

1093
00:41:01,109 --> 00:40:59,839
bigfoot and turn them into kind of like

1094
00:41:03,589 --> 00:41:01,119
a human

1095
00:41:04,309 --> 00:41:03,599
by putting those human traits onto

1096
00:41:06,150 --> 00:41:04,319
bigfoot

1097
00:41:08,550 --> 00:41:06,160
and you know that's just for commercials

1098
00:41:10,230 --> 00:41:08,560
and for fun and it's funny but that's

1099
00:41:13,589 --> 00:41:10,240
what people naturally do

1100
00:41:14,950 --> 00:41:13,599
we take our own stuff and we project it

1101
00:41:17,670 --> 00:41:14,960
onto the bigfoot and say

1102
00:41:18,950 --> 00:41:17,680
bigfoot must be this because that's what

1103
00:41:22,069 --> 00:41:18,960
i believe

1104
00:41:24,069 --> 00:41:22,079
and so um anyway it's

1105
00:41:26,630 --> 00:41:24,079
it gets very complicated if you're

1106
00:41:29,990 --> 00:41:26,640
trying to say what is the truth

1107
00:41:32,550 --> 00:41:30,000
about bigfoot what do it's more like

1108
00:41:33,990 --> 00:41:32,560
what are people's personal truths about

1109
00:41:36,550 --> 00:41:34,000
bigfoot i think that

1110
00:41:38,870 --> 00:41:36,560
we have we have to decipher that first

1111
00:41:41,349 --> 00:41:38,880
started its most basic element when

1112
00:41:42,870 --> 00:41:41,359
we when we talk to people let's find out

1113
00:41:43,750 --> 00:41:42,880
what they believe we can figure out

1114
00:41:47,510 --> 00:41:43,760
their liminal

1115
00:41:50,550 --> 00:41:47,520
state we can figure out their cosmology

1116
00:41:52,470 --> 00:41:50,560
we can find i use nlp which is

1117
00:41:54,150 --> 00:41:52,480
neuro-linguistic programming techniques

1118
00:41:55,750 --> 00:41:54,160
when i interview people i see where

1119
00:41:56,550 --> 00:41:55,760
they're pulling information from their

1120
00:41:57,990 --> 00:41:56,560
brain

1121
00:41:59,990 --> 00:41:58,000
to try to figure out if they're telling

1122
00:42:02,870 --> 00:42:00,000
the truth or telling a lie

1123
00:42:04,550 --> 00:42:02,880
they're lying to themselves um but it

1124
00:42:07,109 --> 00:42:04,560
goes on and on and it makes it

1125
00:42:09,349 --> 00:42:07,119
uh i i don't think there's a really

1126
00:42:11,270 --> 00:42:09,359
solid answer on how to

1127
00:42:13,030 --> 00:42:11,280
weigh out anecdotal evidence and

1128
00:42:15,750 --> 00:42:13,040
physical evidence

1129
00:42:17,030 --> 00:42:15,760
um it but but it's just a matter of

1130
00:42:20,069 --> 00:42:17,040
looking at it all

1131
00:42:23,430 --> 00:42:20,079
and saying this all exists

1132
00:42:24,150 --> 00:42:23,440
how do you weigh it out um and it's okay

1133
00:42:27,510 --> 00:42:24,160
to say

1134
00:42:30,790 --> 00:42:27,520
i i don't know what to believe it's okay

1135
00:42:33,030 --> 00:42:30,800
amen to that and you know it's so true

1136
00:42:34,150 --> 00:42:33,040
the you know for some reason it does

1137
00:42:37,670 --> 00:42:34,160
seem as if

1138
00:42:39,270 --> 00:42:37,680
one type of evidence is seen as black

1139
00:42:40,230 --> 00:42:39,280
and one type of evidence is seen as

1140
00:42:42,150 --> 00:42:40,240
white

1141
00:42:43,589 --> 00:42:42,160
and and you know the physical evidence

1142
00:42:46,870 --> 00:42:43,599
is seen as like well there it is

1143
00:42:48,550 --> 00:42:46,880
there it is yet i find

1144
00:42:50,630 --> 00:42:48,560
that many secrets are held in the

1145
00:42:54,150 --> 00:42:50,640
shadows and as as you

1146
00:42:57,030 --> 00:42:54,160
as you mentioned and alluded to many

1147
00:42:58,870 --> 00:42:57,040
many beliefs as children uh culturally

1148
00:43:02,390 --> 00:42:58,880
the anthropomorphization of

1149
00:43:05,589 --> 00:43:02,400
i i can't even say that word of the

1150
00:43:08,390 --> 00:43:05,599
of the individual is is is

1151
00:43:08,790 --> 00:43:08,400
he's affected by the movies he watches

1152
00:43:11,990 --> 00:43:08,800
the

1153
00:43:13,750 --> 00:43:12,000
interest as a child and i found

1154
00:43:15,589 --> 00:43:13,760
it very interesting because monsters

1155
00:43:16,470 --> 00:43:15,599
were my friends as a kid that's what i

1156
00:43:19,270 --> 00:43:16,480
drew

1157
00:43:20,390 --> 00:43:19,280
and then i stopped drawing and we lose

1158
00:43:23,030 --> 00:43:20,400
touch with that

1159
00:43:24,390 --> 00:43:23,040
connection to something else it's it's

1160
00:43:27,670 --> 00:43:24,400
interesting that it

1161
00:43:29,670 --> 00:43:27,680
isn't um it isn't about truth it's about

1162
00:43:32,150 --> 00:43:29,680
truth being a moving target

1163
00:43:32,710 --> 00:43:32,160
what i find is in your book you really

1164
00:43:35,270 --> 00:43:32,720
do

1165
00:43:36,950 --> 00:43:35,280
jump onto that you get onto the media

1166
00:43:38,230 --> 00:43:36,960
the movies the news the influence and

1167
00:43:40,870 --> 00:43:38,240
the culture

1168
00:43:41,670 --> 00:43:40,880
and i find it really interesting that

1169
00:43:44,390 --> 00:43:41,680
you even

1170
00:43:46,150 --> 00:43:44,400
touch on the holy grail which is so

1171
00:43:47,910 --> 00:43:46,160
scary to even go there

1172
00:43:49,349 --> 00:43:47,920
which i'm going to bring up which is the

1173
00:43:51,910 --> 00:43:49,359
patterson gimlin film

1174
00:43:53,790 --> 00:43:51,920
which somewhat you know it somewhat

1175
00:43:55,670 --> 00:43:53,800
brings in this this same

1176
00:43:57,109 --> 00:43:55,680
anthropomorphization of the individual

1177
00:43:59,109 --> 00:43:57,119
where where

1178
00:44:00,390 --> 00:43:59,119
there is a black and white and you see

1179
00:44:01,990 --> 00:44:00,400
the black of the individual and the

1180
00:44:03,109 --> 00:44:02,000
white of the individual everybody makes

1181
00:44:06,309 --> 00:44:03,119
a judgment call

1182
00:44:08,309 --> 00:44:06,319
nobody respects the evidence and and

1183
00:44:10,870 --> 00:44:08,319
and that is the that's the red flag

1184
00:44:12,550 --> 00:44:10,880
right beware of the researcher who takes

1185
00:44:13,750 --> 00:44:12,560
their work more seriously than

1186
00:44:17,270 --> 00:44:13,760
themselves

1187
00:44:19,270 --> 00:44:17,280
because you know if i it

1188
00:44:20,870 --> 00:44:19,280
let's get into the patterson gimlin film

1189
00:44:24,630 --> 00:44:20,880
and how that is sort of the

1190
00:44:32,069 --> 00:44:28,550
it kind of is even the um

1191
00:44:32,550 --> 00:44:32,079
the uh the icon it becomes an icon you

1192
00:44:36,150 --> 00:44:32,560
know

1193
00:44:38,230 --> 00:44:36,160
uh the iconic symbol of what bigfoot is

1194
00:44:40,069 --> 00:44:38,240
you take that one frame from the

1195
00:44:42,550 --> 00:44:40,079
patterson gimlin film

1196
00:44:44,710 --> 00:44:42,560
and it's famous it's known everywhere

1197
00:44:46,870 --> 00:44:44,720
it's in all the media circles

1198
00:44:47,910 --> 00:44:46,880
um it's in movies and commercials and

1199
00:44:51,910 --> 00:44:47,920
documentaries

1200
00:44:54,870 --> 00:44:51,920
and and uh we look at that and

1201
00:44:55,270 --> 00:44:54,880
and it becomes the symbol for all kinds

1202
00:44:57,750 --> 00:44:55,280
of

1203
00:44:59,270 --> 00:44:57,760
new media that comes out and what people

1204
00:45:02,230 --> 00:44:59,280
think bigfoot is

1205
00:45:03,030 --> 00:45:02,240
and so it the patterson gimlin film is

1206
00:45:05,349 --> 00:45:03,040
really huge

1207
00:45:06,150 --> 00:45:05,359
i did cover it um because i and i

1208
00:45:09,750 --> 00:45:06,160
covered

1209
00:45:12,390 --> 00:45:09,760
john johnson um because he is

1210
00:45:13,990 --> 00:45:12,400
allegedly the new owner of the original

1211
00:45:17,030 --> 00:45:14,000
film that got

1212
00:45:17,990 --> 00:45:17,040
lost for quite a while many bigfoot

1213
00:45:20,630 --> 00:45:18,000
researchers believe

1214
00:45:23,430 --> 00:45:20,640
that he he does actually own that film i

1215
00:45:25,430 --> 00:45:23,440
i tend to think so but i have to rely on

1216
00:45:26,710 --> 00:45:25,440
on people that are in the know a little

1217
00:45:30,550 --> 00:45:26,720
better than me

1218
00:45:33,829 --> 00:45:30,560
um john kirk um no

1219
00:45:36,710 --> 00:45:33,839
did some research in that and and um he

1220
00:45:38,390 --> 00:45:36,720
you know jay michael there's different

1221
00:45:39,510 --> 00:45:38,400
people that believe that that it's

1222
00:45:42,630 --> 00:45:39,520
probably the tr

1223
00:45:45,910 --> 00:45:42,640
the true film that jon johnson has but

1224
00:45:47,990 --> 00:45:45,920
you know even looking at at some of that

1225
00:45:51,190 --> 00:45:48,000
it's it's hard because

1226
00:45:54,550 --> 00:45:51,200
even though he has that film uh

1227
00:45:57,430 --> 00:45:54,560
he he and he hired somebody to

1228
00:46:00,150 --> 00:45:57,440
analyze that and share that analysis

1229
00:46:03,589 --> 00:46:00,160
with the public in my book i have it

1230
00:46:07,190 --> 00:46:03,599
those results and but it's it's not

1231
00:46:11,109 --> 00:46:07,200
open to scrutiny it's not open

1232
00:46:14,710 --> 00:46:11,119
to other independent

1233
00:46:18,630 --> 00:46:14,720
uh analysis analyses on this film

1234
00:46:22,069 --> 00:46:18,640
so there's no cooperation there's no

1235
00:46:24,470 --> 00:46:22,079
independent investigation um there's

1236
00:46:26,230 --> 00:46:24,480
there's no way to verify in order to

1237
00:46:28,550 --> 00:46:26,240
have the validation

1238
00:46:30,150 --> 00:46:28,560
and verification of the facts you have

1239
00:46:32,230 --> 00:46:30,160
to have someone else

1240
00:46:33,430 --> 00:46:32,240
you know look at that same film and

1241
00:46:36,309 --> 00:46:33,440
scrutinize it

1242
00:46:36,950 --> 00:46:36,319
uh scientifically and that that has not

1243
00:46:39,670 --> 00:46:36,960
been done

1244
00:46:41,750 --> 00:46:39,680
and so you you still wind up in the end

1245
00:46:43,190 --> 00:46:41,760
with this camp of believers versus

1246
00:46:46,309 --> 00:46:43,200
non-believers

1247
00:46:49,510 --> 00:46:46,319
and um you know it

1248
00:46:52,470 --> 00:46:49,520
it doesn't even it doesn't even go into

1249
00:46:52,870 --> 00:46:52,480
interestingly that john johnson who has

1250
00:46:58,790 --> 00:46:52,880
this

1251
00:47:01,190 --> 00:46:58,800
doesn't even believe bigfoot is real and

1252
00:47:03,670 --> 00:47:01,200
so he's a filmmaker and he's made films

1253
00:47:04,309 --> 00:47:03,680
on bigfoot but he doesn't believe it's

1254
00:47:09,109 --> 00:47:04,319
real

1255
00:47:12,390 --> 00:47:09,119
but that that it was a you know

1256
00:47:13,270 --> 00:47:12,400
anonymous in a suit and uh so you you

1257
00:47:16,790 --> 00:47:13,280
have this

1258
00:47:18,230 --> 00:47:16,800
really fascinating camp of believers and

1259
00:47:21,670 --> 00:47:18,240
the campus

1260
00:47:24,549 --> 00:47:21,680
you know disbelievers um that are

1261
00:47:25,030 --> 00:47:24,559
arguing the points as patterson gimlin

1262
00:47:29,030 --> 00:47:25,040
film

1263
00:47:31,270 --> 00:47:29,040
the animal wasn't or

1264
00:47:33,190 --> 00:47:31,280
or uh you know but there was like at

1265
00:47:34,470 --> 00:47:33,200
least four people that came forward

1266
00:47:37,030 --> 00:47:34,480
saying i wore the suit

1267
00:47:37,510 --> 00:47:37,040
well the cantilever fit in the suit you

1268
00:47:39,750 --> 00:47:37,520
know

1269
00:47:42,069 --> 00:47:39,760
and that makes potentially all of them

1270
00:47:44,309 --> 00:47:42,079
liars or only one of them being

1271
00:47:45,430 --> 00:47:44,319
a truth teller and how do you really

1272
00:47:48,549 --> 00:47:45,440
know that

1273
00:47:51,589 --> 00:47:48,559
and uh so the the you know

1274
00:47:53,750 --> 00:47:51,599
it's fascinating because back in 2005 we

1275
00:47:54,790 --> 00:47:53,760
i believe it was 2005. we went to the

1276
00:47:58,390 --> 00:47:54,800
tbrcs

1277
00:48:00,710 --> 00:47:58,400
um bigfoot conference in east texas

1278
00:48:02,230 --> 00:48:00,720
and i i think i spoke for like 15

1279
00:48:06,069 --> 00:48:02,240
minutes on something

1280
00:48:08,309 --> 00:48:06,079
and john i met john kirk there and um

1281
00:48:09,990 --> 00:48:08,319
his wife winona is my one of my really

1282
00:48:12,230 --> 00:48:10,000
good friends we lived in bc

1283
00:48:13,670 --> 00:48:12,240
just down the street from each other and

1284
00:48:16,390 --> 00:48:13,680
um we uh

1285
00:48:18,069 --> 00:48:16,400
i had them back then and and uh you know

1286
00:48:20,630 --> 00:48:18,079
they talked about the film

1287
00:48:21,430 --> 00:48:20,640
and mk davis everybody knows mk davis

1288
00:48:25,430 --> 00:48:21,440
and dixon

1289
00:48:28,069 --> 00:48:25,440
you know in the bigfoot on subculture

1290
00:48:29,030 --> 00:48:28,079
and that at that time he was doing that

1291
00:48:31,589 --> 00:48:29,040
flash

1292
00:48:32,710 --> 00:48:31,599
right where he was taking the film

1293
00:48:34,390 --> 00:48:32,720
analyzing it

1294
00:48:35,990 --> 00:48:34,400
oh and sharon i hate to interrupt i'm

1295
00:48:36,870 --> 00:48:36,000
kind of losing you a little bit i'm not

1296
00:48:38,390 --> 00:48:36,880
sure why

1297
00:48:40,309 --> 00:48:38,400
you hear me better that's better yeah

1298
00:48:42,150 --> 00:48:40,319
that's way better

1299
00:48:45,910 --> 00:48:42,160
yeah i hear it's a little bit uh

1300
00:48:48,710 --> 00:48:47,349
no you do sound better it just started

1301
00:48:50,150 --> 00:48:48,720
breaking up a little bit and i didn't

1302
00:48:53,030 --> 00:48:50,160
want to i didn't want to lose you there

1303
00:48:53,510 --> 00:48:53,040
yeah i think it's our connection i do

1304
00:49:00,790 --> 00:48:53,520
too

1305
00:49:03,430 --> 00:49:00,800
we might need to let me see here okay

1306
00:49:05,670 --> 00:49:03,440
yes but it does seems like there's three

1307
00:49:06,390 --> 00:49:05,680
sides to every story but only two ever

1308
00:49:09,109 --> 00:49:06,400
show up

1309
00:49:11,349 --> 00:49:09,119
and on your in your book on page 43 you

1310
00:49:12,390 --> 00:49:11,359
go into children's books and i i found

1311
00:49:13,750 --> 00:49:12,400
it very interesting that in the

1312
00:49:15,430 --> 00:49:13,760
children's stories

1313
00:49:16,790 --> 00:49:15,440
you know that produces an effect of

1314
00:49:18,390 --> 00:49:16,800
cultural change and

1315
00:49:20,230 --> 00:49:18,400
there was a picture of bigfoot and the

1316
00:49:22,069 --> 00:49:20,240
three bigfoot you know and

1317
00:49:23,510 --> 00:49:22,079
and it kind of brings up you know like

1318
00:49:25,910 --> 00:49:23,520
there's so many names

1319
00:49:27,430 --> 00:49:25,920
so many names for bigfoot as if if you

1320
00:49:30,390 --> 00:49:27,440
could just call him something

1321
00:49:32,309 --> 00:49:30,400
different your your version you know of

1322
00:49:35,190 --> 00:49:32,319
what you believe would be correct

1323
00:49:35,510 --> 00:49:35,200
it even even when you mentioned the uh

1324
00:49:38,710 --> 00:49:35,520
the

1325
00:49:40,069 --> 00:49:38,720
well known

1326
00:49:42,390 --> 00:49:40,079
you know even that kind of hit me

1327
00:49:44,069 --> 00:49:42,400
because i kind of got into bigfoot uh by

1328
00:49:47,109 --> 00:49:44,079
a gentleman named daryl smith

1329
00:49:49,430 --> 00:49:47,119
out of utah and he was an uh

1330
00:49:51,270 --> 00:49:49,440
an older researcher who had put tons of

1331
00:49:53,270 --> 00:49:51,280
time and effort into it

1332
00:49:55,349 --> 00:49:53,280
you know a great part of his life and i

1333
00:49:56,549 --> 00:49:55,359
watched all that research just sort of

1334
00:49:58,950 --> 00:49:56,559
disappear

1335
00:49:59,750 --> 00:49:58,960
you know difficultly as much as i tried

1336
00:50:05,430 --> 00:49:59,760
to to

1337
00:50:06,870 --> 00:50:05,440
you know it's it's like sand going

1338
00:50:08,309 --> 00:50:06,880
through your fingertips you know as

1339
00:50:11,829 --> 00:50:08,319
these people pass on

1340
00:50:13,190 --> 00:50:11,839
and um i thought it was interesting

1341
00:50:14,150 --> 00:50:13,200
because you you mentioned you went to

1342
00:50:16,230 --> 00:50:14,160
the tbrc

1343
00:50:17,510 --> 00:50:16,240
and it's so true with the gimlin film it

1344
00:50:19,829 --> 00:50:17,520
does seem everybody's

1345
00:50:20,710 --> 00:50:19,839
wants to be a part of it and where there

1346
00:50:22,710 --> 00:50:20,720
is a glow

1347
00:50:23,750 --> 00:50:22,720
whatever that glow is it seems that

1348
00:50:25,270 --> 00:50:23,760
people huddle

1349
00:50:26,790 --> 00:50:25,280
and you get the tricksters you get them

1350
00:50:31,030 --> 00:50:26,800
all but there is

1351
00:50:33,430 --> 00:50:31,040
one that usually doesn't show up and um

1352
00:50:35,430 --> 00:50:33,440
that is the one we need and and how do

1353
00:50:39,190 --> 00:50:35,440
we go about getting those individuals

1354
00:50:43,190 --> 00:50:41,349
right it process comes back to um

1355
00:50:45,750 --> 00:50:43,200
cultural sharing

1356
00:50:47,510 --> 00:50:45,760
um you know it's getting in touch with

1357
00:50:49,109 --> 00:50:47,520
each other and finding each other and

1358
00:50:50,630 --> 00:50:49,119
finding those answers that we're looking

1359
00:50:52,950 --> 00:50:50,640
for and do they really

1360
00:50:54,150 --> 00:50:52,960
have answers or are they repeating or

1361
00:50:55,990 --> 00:50:54,160
pivoting

1362
00:50:58,630 --> 00:50:56,000
information that they learned somewhere

1363
00:51:02,390 --> 00:50:58,640
else and so this is how

1364
00:51:04,790 --> 00:51:02,400
myths grow and legends grow and um

1365
00:51:05,910 --> 00:51:04,800
how much is real you know like the old

1366
00:51:07,829 --> 00:51:05,920
commercial how much

1367
00:51:09,670 --> 00:51:07,839
is it real or is it them right we don't

1368
00:51:12,549 --> 00:51:09,680
know uh

1369
00:51:15,190 --> 00:51:12,559
culturally speaking we don't really know

1370
00:51:18,710 --> 00:51:15,200
if you're trying to decide what is truth

1371
00:51:22,150 --> 00:51:18,720
um but uh it's a

1372
00:51:23,670 --> 00:51:22,160
fascinating process to you know find out

1373
00:51:25,109 --> 00:51:23,680
what someone believes and where that

1374
00:51:28,549 --> 00:51:25,119
belief comes from and

1375
00:51:30,790 --> 00:51:28,559
and finding each other and like you said

1376
00:51:32,950 --> 00:51:30,800
huddling and finding those groups of

1377
00:51:34,710 --> 00:51:32,960
of those life blocks is full of people

1378
00:51:37,349 --> 00:51:34,720
that have some answers

1379
00:51:39,030 --> 00:51:37,359
and sharing those answers it's um that's

1380
00:51:39,910 --> 00:51:39,040
what it's really all about when it comes

1381
00:51:43,109 --> 00:51:39,920
to

1382
00:51:45,349 --> 00:51:43,119
uh cultural anthropology um

1383
00:51:47,270 --> 00:51:45,359
because it looks at our enculturation it

1384
00:51:49,270 --> 00:51:47,280
was a liminalization

1385
00:51:51,430 --> 00:51:49,280
it looks like cosmology and what

1386
00:51:51,750 --> 00:51:51,440
people's world views are and and what

1387
00:51:53,190 --> 00:51:51,760
what

1388
00:51:54,870 --> 00:51:53,200
you know how was the world made and

1389
00:51:56,710 --> 00:51:54,880
what's our place in it and that tied

1390
00:51:59,109 --> 00:51:56,720
into religion and ties in

1391
00:52:01,430 --> 00:51:59,119
you know people's political even though

1392
00:52:04,069 --> 00:52:01,440
the surveys i did a survey

1393
00:52:05,910 --> 00:52:04,079
and uh found that there's a small a very

1394
00:52:09,670 --> 00:52:05,920
small minor percentage

1395
00:52:11,510 --> 00:52:09,680
um that are pro-kill and most people are

1396
00:52:13,190 --> 00:52:11,520
no kill for bigfoot they don't want to

1397
00:52:14,069 --> 00:52:13,200
kill a big purpose and feel like we need

1398
00:52:16,390 --> 00:52:14,079
a body

1399
00:52:18,230 --> 00:52:16,400
and so you've got these different um

1400
00:52:19,349 --> 00:52:18,240
answers from different people believing

1401
00:52:21,910 --> 00:52:19,359
different things

1402
00:52:22,950 --> 00:52:21,920
and it's fascinating and they tend to

1403
00:52:24,309 --> 00:52:22,960
find each other

1404
00:52:26,069 --> 00:52:24,319
and huddle in groups and it's

1405
00:52:27,589 --> 00:52:26,079
interesting is i get more interested

1406
00:52:29,670 --> 00:52:27,599
it's like the phone breaks up more i'm

1407
00:52:32,309 --> 00:52:29,680
like darn it um

1408
00:52:33,349 --> 00:52:32,319
let me ask you because i i tend to be

1409
00:52:36,150 --> 00:52:33,359
maybe the opposite

1410
00:52:38,390 --> 00:52:36,160
i i tend to try to bring in the exact

1411
00:52:41,910 --> 00:52:38,400
opposite of what i believe

1412
00:52:45,109 --> 00:52:41,920
and form a team and

1413
00:52:47,030 --> 00:52:45,119
see what happens but that

1414
00:52:48,470 --> 00:52:47,040
mainly from a bigfoot perspective is

1415
00:52:49,990 --> 00:52:48,480
because i have so much

1416
00:52:51,750 --> 00:52:50,000
and maybe i shouldn't this is the

1417
00:52:54,470 --> 00:52:51,760
problem that we have and

1418
00:52:56,309 --> 00:52:54,480
as human beings i have so much belief

1419
00:53:00,230 --> 00:52:56,319
that there will never be a body

1420
00:53:03,349 --> 00:53:00,240
that it's uh such a

1421
00:53:06,470 --> 00:53:03,359
magical situation scenario or phenomenon

1422
00:53:08,710 --> 00:53:06,480
that uh you know that i i guess i go a

1423
00:53:11,990 --> 00:53:08,720
little too far out on the branch

1424
00:53:14,790 --> 00:53:12,000
and i don't mind mixing with the kill

1425
00:53:16,790 --> 00:53:14,800
variety crowd just because i've

1426
00:53:19,270 --> 00:53:16,800
rationalized it in my own mind

1427
00:53:20,069 --> 00:53:19,280
that they're a necessary part of the

1428
00:53:22,950 --> 00:53:20,079
enigma

1429
00:53:24,630 --> 00:53:22,960
whether favorable or not you know and

1430
00:53:26,470 --> 00:53:24,640
the favor we don't know we don't know

1431
00:53:27,270 --> 00:53:26,480
what the favorability is again this is

1432
00:53:29,109 --> 00:53:27,280
where the human

1433
00:53:31,109 --> 00:53:29,119
aspect comes in and it just tends to

1434
00:53:32,870 --> 00:53:31,119
muddle and

1435
00:53:34,309 --> 00:53:32,880
it muddies the water from it from an

1436
00:53:36,390 --> 00:53:34,319
investigative standpoint

1437
00:53:37,750 --> 00:53:36,400
so i try to rise above that but it's so

1438
00:53:41,190 --> 00:53:37,760
difficult like you said

1439
00:53:43,910 --> 00:53:41,200
and um i wanted to also get into

1440
00:53:45,750 --> 00:53:43,920
uh again your sources the the top 10

1441
00:53:46,870 --> 00:53:45,760
bigfoot books that you mentioned i think

1442
00:53:48,470 --> 00:53:46,880
you're going to have to make another

1443
00:53:50,309 --> 00:53:48,480
spot for your own

1444
00:53:52,630 --> 00:53:50,319
and i wanted to also talk about the

1445
00:53:55,349 --> 00:53:52,640
alternative bigfoot books but not before

1446
00:53:55,990 --> 00:53:55,359
uh uh getting your thoughts on on my

1447
00:53:57,510 --> 00:53:56,000
thought pattern

1448
00:53:59,109 --> 00:53:57,520
of involving you know the ying and the

1449
00:54:00,790 --> 00:53:59,119
yang or the exact opposite to get a

1450
00:54:03,910 --> 00:54:00,800
better refraction or view of what you're

1451
00:54:08,710 --> 00:54:07,190
uh okay so i do i cut out it's cutting

1452
00:54:10,710 --> 00:54:08,720
out a little bit

1453
00:54:12,309 --> 00:54:10,720
um well we don't have a lot of time left

1454
00:54:14,549 --> 00:54:12,319
but i just you know what you're saying

1455
00:54:18,069 --> 00:54:14,559
is so amazing that i i want to get your

1456
00:54:20,549 --> 00:54:18,079
thoughts on the kill versus the no kill

1457
00:54:21,670 --> 00:54:20,559
is it possible to get a body is it

1458
00:54:24,870 --> 00:54:21,680
something we should even

1459
00:54:27,030 --> 00:54:24,880
i i i do not believe in even i used to

1460
00:54:29,829 --> 00:54:27,040
be a fly fisherman i caught and release

1461
00:54:30,230 --> 00:54:29,839
now it even hurts me to release them so

1462
00:54:32,230 --> 00:54:30,240
um

1463
00:54:35,430 --> 00:54:32,240
i'm not a hunter in any way or shape or

1464
00:54:38,950 --> 00:54:35,440
form unless it's from a deeper sense

1465
00:54:42,069 --> 00:54:38,960
and the this is a big question

1466
00:54:44,069 --> 00:54:42,079
in the bigfoot community the uh the two

1467
00:54:46,309 --> 00:54:44,079
the two varieties of bigfoot hunters

1468
00:54:49,430 --> 00:54:46,319
quote unquote

1469
00:54:50,150 --> 00:54:49,440
there is um there's there's several

1470
00:54:53,030 --> 00:54:50,160
groups like

1471
00:54:54,069 --> 00:54:53,040
when i did the survey of 300 bigfoot

1472
00:54:56,390 --> 00:54:54,079
believers

1473
00:54:58,150 --> 00:54:56,400
and i collected the answers within about

1474
00:54:59,270 --> 00:54:58,160
two or three days i think it was about

1475
00:55:02,710 --> 00:54:59,280
two days

1476
00:55:06,069 --> 00:55:02,720
um i found that there was a a small

1477
00:55:07,190 --> 00:55:06,079
of my minority of bigfoot believers of

1478
00:55:09,829 --> 00:55:07,200
12.9

1479
00:55:10,710 --> 00:55:09,839
about 15 of all respondents were pro

1480
00:55:13,349 --> 00:55:10,720
kills

1481
00:55:13,990 --> 00:55:13,359
um they had some interesting trends in

1482
00:55:18,150 --> 00:55:14,000
the pro

1483
00:55:20,630 --> 00:55:18,160
kill subgroups um i found that i could

1484
00:55:22,470 --> 00:55:20,640
separate them into trophy what i call

1485
00:55:24,710 --> 00:55:22,480
trophy hunters because they these were

1486
00:55:28,470 --> 00:55:24,720
pro-kill people they had guns

1487
00:55:30,789 --> 00:55:28,480
um and some of them do not hunt

1488
00:55:33,190 --> 00:55:30,799
and some of them hunt for food only and

1489
00:55:35,910 --> 00:55:33,200
then the rest the smallest minority

1490
00:55:36,390 --> 00:55:35,920
were what i called trophy hunters um

1491
00:55:40,789 --> 00:55:36,400
they

1492
00:55:44,630 --> 00:55:40,799
just for the prophy not for the food

1493
00:55:46,789 --> 00:55:44,640
and uh out of these we

1494
00:55:48,069 --> 00:55:46,799
we got some really fascinating

1495
00:55:50,150 --> 00:55:48,079
information i've kind of

1496
00:55:52,630 --> 00:55:50,160
i spoke with my friend carly newman

1497
00:55:55,589 --> 00:55:52,640
she's an anthropologist and sociologist

1498
00:55:57,349 --> 00:55:55,599
um in apostle texas and she and she and

1499
00:55:59,109 --> 00:55:57,359
i were looking at the results and she

1500
00:55:59,910 --> 00:55:59,119
said yeah it sounds like we have a type

1501
00:56:03,349 --> 00:55:59,920
here

1502
00:56:04,390 --> 00:56:03,359
uh a type of big believer um how does

1503
00:56:07,589 --> 00:56:04,400
the

1504
00:56:11,670 --> 00:56:07,599
not hunt

1505
00:56:16,069 --> 00:56:11,680
uh pro-kill people um i

1506
00:56:18,710 --> 00:56:16,079
the the staff the statistics came out as

1507
00:56:20,470 --> 00:56:18,720
uh most interesting uh out of look at

1508
00:56:23,030 --> 00:56:20,480
the trends here these are the trophy

1509
00:56:26,309 --> 00:56:23,040
hunters these are the most extreme

1510
00:56:30,230 --> 00:56:26,319
of all the pro kill uh believers that

1511
00:56:34,309 --> 00:56:30,240
71 are spiritually conservative

1512
00:56:37,670 --> 00:56:34,319
86 are politically conservative

1513
00:56:38,390 --> 00:56:37,680
71 of them believe in bigfoot and 80

1514
00:56:42,549 --> 00:56:38,400
percent

1515
00:56:46,549 --> 00:56:42,559
86 um believe this bigfoot is a huge

1516
00:56:47,510 --> 00:56:46,559
physical humanoid now compare those high

1517
00:56:51,510 --> 00:56:47,520
numbers with

1518
00:56:53,990 --> 00:56:51,520
um it's a little less for the most part

1519
00:56:55,430 --> 00:56:54,000
for the people who hunt for food rather

1520
00:56:57,990 --> 00:56:55,440
than trophies

1521
00:57:00,630 --> 00:56:58,000
40 are spiritually conservative instead

1522
00:57:03,190 --> 00:57:00,640
of 71

1523
00:57:05,829 --> 00:57:03,200
at 70 percent politically conservative

1524
00:57:09,270 --> 00:57:05,839
instead of 86

1525
00:57:12,549 --> 00:57:09,280
80 believe in bigfoot so a little

1526
00:57:12,950 --> 00:57:12,559
a few more the food people a little bit

1527
00:57:15,270 --> 00:57:12,960
more

1528
00:57:16,069 --> 00:57:15,280
than believe in bigfoot but that's

1529
00:57:18,630 --> 00:57:16,079
broken down

1530
00:57:19,190 --> 00:57:18,640
as eighty percent uh believe it's a

1531
00:57:21,190 --> 00:57:19,200
physical

1532
00:57:22,870 --> 00:57:21,200
humanoid whereas twenty percent believe

1533
00:57:24,870 --> 00:57:22,880
it's an animal

1534
00:57:26,150 --> 00:57:24,880
and then the people that don't hunt that

1535
00:57:29,510 --> 00:57:26,160
are pro-kill

1536
00:57:33,510 --> 00:57:29,520
only 24 are spiritual conservatives

1537
00:57:37,069 --> 00:57:33,520
33 are politically conservative 71

1538
00:57:38,710 --> 00:57:37,079
believe in bigfoot 10 believe bigfoot is

1539
00:57:42,069 --> 00:57:38,720
interdimensional

1540
00:57:44,549 --> 00:57:42,079
and 90 believe bigfoot is an animal

1541
00:57:45,510 --> 00:57:44,559
and what's fascinating about all of this

1542
00:57:47,670 --> 00:57:45,520
is that

1543
00:57:48,710 --> 00:57:47,680
out of the most extreme to the trophy

1544
00:57:52,109 --> 00:57:48,720
hunters

1545
00:57:54,789 --> 00:57:52,119
we find that spiritual

1546
00:57:56,230 --> 00:57:54,799
conservativism and political

1547
00:57:59,670 --> 00:57:56,240
conservativism

1548
00:58:03,109 --> 00:57:59,680
are high indicators so religiosity

1549
00:58:06,950 --> 00:58:03,119
and political conservativism is

1550
00:58:09,750 --> 00:58:06,960
associated with pro-kill

1551
00:58:11,910 --> 00:58:09,760
believers um that are specifically

1552
00:58:15,030 --> 00:58:11,920
trophy hunter type belief you know

1553
00:58:15,829 --> 00:58:15,040
um and that bigfoot is a physical

1554
00:58:18,390 --> 00:58:15,839
humanoid

1555
00:58:19,670 --> 00:58:18,400
and the implications for this is that if

1556
00:58:22,230 --> 00:58:19,680
you have someone that

1557
00:58:22,950 --> 00:58:22,240
has this type of mindset and they

1558
00:58:26,230 --> 00:58:22,960
believe

1559
00:58:29,349 --> 00:58:26,240
that this is a physical humanoid that

1560
00:58:31,270 --> 00:58:29,359
a humanoid means that it it's in the

1561
00:58:33,430 --> 00:58:31,280
shape of a human bipedal

1562
00:58:34,470 --> 00:58:33,440
we're talking not an animal we're

1563
00:58:37,270 --> 00:58:34,480
talking about

1564
00:58:38,309 --> 00:58:37,280
a creature that is very similar to

1565
00:58:40,950 --> 00:58:38,319
humans

1566
00:58:42,549 --> 00:58:40,960
and they have language and they are

1567
00:58:45,510 --> 00:58:42,559
pro-kill

1568
00:58:46,150 --> 00:58:45,520
and they want to kill bigfoot when it's

1569
00:58:47,910 --> 00:58:46,160
very much

1570
00:58:51,030 --> 00:58:47,920
like a human and so there's these

1571
00:58:53,589 --> 00:58:51,040
ethical um considerations that

1572
00:58:55,109 --> 00:58:53,599
arrive naturally in people's minds when

1573
00:58:59,190 --> 00:58:55,119
they look at this

1574
00:59:02,870 --> 00:58:59,200
this um this little tiny

1575
00:59:05,030 --> 00:59:02,880
subgroup of bigfoot believers

1576
00:59:07,910 --> 00:59:05,040
and it's just a fascinating thing you

1577
00:59:11,270 --> 00:59:07,920
know when you get to the no-kill people

1578
00:59:13,270 --> 00:59:11,280
you know you get oh 79

1579
00:59:15,430 --> 00:59:13,280
of them are some form of christian and

1580
00:59:19,910 --> 00:59:15,440
um and

1581
00:59:25,349 --> 00:59:23,270
or just an animal or whatever so you

1582
00:59:26,950 --> 00:59:25,359
you've got these fascinating trends on

1583
00:59:29,990 --> 00:59:26,960
both extremes

1584
00:59:32,230 --> 00:59:30,000
and um and uh

1585
00:59:34,470 --> 00:59:32,240
it's you don't even know what to do with

1586
00:59:35,829 --> 00:59:34,480
it at that point you just say wow that's

1587
00:59:37,670 --> 00:59:35,839
really interesting

1588
00:59:39,190 --> 00:59:37,680
let's see what happens in the future and

1589
00:59:39,430 --> 00:59:39,200
see if there's a trend that goes you

1590
00:59:42,630 --> 00:59:39,440
know

1591
00:59:45,430 --> 00:59:42,640
just follow some direction but um

1592
00:59:47,349 --> 00:59:45,440
cultural anthropology and studying the

1593
00:59:49,910 --> 00:59:47,359
believers of things but you start

1594
00:59:52,150 --> 00:59:49,920
realizing like there's types of people

1595
00:59:56,230 --> 00:59:52,160
out there that believe certain ways

1596
00:59:58,390 --> 00:59:56,240
and that is generally enculturated

1597
01:00:00,549 --> 00:59:58,400
that is generally something through

1598
01:00:03,910 --> 01:00:00,559
cultural sharing that we learn

1599
01:00:06,710 --> 01:00:03,920
and so we we we aren't born

1600
01:00:07,510 --> 01:00:06,720
with beliefs we gain those through our

1601
01:00:09,190 --> 01:00:07,520
lives

1602
01:00:10,789 --> 01:00:09,200
and through our experiences and things

1603
01:00:12,309 --> 01:00:10,799
we learn so

1604
01:00:14,230 --> 01:00:12,319
that's what the book is about to get

1605
01:00:17,829 --> 01:00:14,240
people to think about that and

1606
01:00:18,470 --> 01:00:17,839
um and kind of kind of question your own

1607
01:00:21,910 --> 01:00:18,480
beliefs

1608
01:00:24,230 --> 01:00:21,920
and where they come from um

1609
01:00:26,390 --> 01:00:24,240
and uh so it'll be interesting to see

1610
01:00:28,549 --> 01:00:26,400
how this affects people this book

1611
01:00:31,030 --> 01:00:28,559
but that that's what it's that's what

1612
01:00:33,750 --> 01:00:31,040
it's all about at least for me

1613
01:00:35,510 --> 01:00:33,760
i think i think he nailed it and i i i

1614
01:00:37,829 --> 01:00:35,520
really think you nailed it going into

1615
01:00:39,990 --> 01:00:37,839
the study of the individuals and their

1616
01:00:42,390 --> 01:00:40,000
belief systems because

1617
01:00:43,349 --> 01:00:42,400
much much like um some only believe in

1618
01:00:44,710 --> 01:00:43,359
the black and the white

1619
01:00:46,789 --> 01:00:44,720
you know there's only white magicians

1620
01:00:48,870 --> 01:00:46,799
and black magicians period

1621
01:00:50,950 --> 01:00:48,880
uh you know this is an interesting

1622
01:00:53,349 --> 01:00:50,960
dilemma in this essential guide to

1623
01:00:55,990 --> 01:00:53,359
bigfoot that you've written because

1624
01:00:58,630 --> 01:00:56,000
i i think i would proverbially be put in

1625
01:01:01,750 --> 01:00:58,640
a psych ward if i ever saw one shot

1626
01:01:02,309 --> 01:01:01,760
and um i think again that's just due to

1627
01:01:05,349 --> 01:01:02,319
my own

1628
01:01:08,390 --> 01:01:05,359
humanity at fault for that

1629
01:01:10,069 --> 01:01:08,400
but i think spiritualistically speaking

1630
01:01:11,510 --> 01:01:10,079
the black and white from a science

1631
01:01:13,829 --> 01:01:11,520
perspective a

1632
01:01:15,670 --> 01:01:13,839
a body must be found from this science

1633
01:01:19,270 --> 01:01:15,680
perspective and i disagree

1634
01:01:22,470 --> 01:01:19,280
however because i'm just human again

1635
01:01:22,789 --> 01:01:22,480
i've noticed that those who tend to view

1636
01:01:27,430 --> 01:01:22,799
it

1637
01:01:30,390 --> 01:01:27,440
not

1638
01:01:31,030 --> 01:01:30,400
are the ones that tend to want to kill

1639
01:01:33,510 --> 01:01:31,040
it

1640
01:01:34,870 --> 01:01:33,520
because i was just looking up the the

1641
01:01:38,549 --> 01:01:34,880
the latin word for

1642
01:01:43,030 --> 01:01:38,559
entity entitus and

1643
01:01:49,349 --> 01:01:47,589
right yeah no it's fascinating um

1644
01:01:51,190 --> 01:01:49,359
and it's true there there's there's

1645
01:01:53,750 --> 01:01:51,200
these trends of what people believe

1646
01:01:57,029 --> 01:01:53,760
based on

1647
01:02:00,549 --> 01:01:57,039
a variety of um different variables but

1648
01:02:01,510 --> 01:02:00,559
uh i i don't even know where to go with

1649
01:02:03,190 --> 01:02:01,520
it sometimes

1650
01:02:06,710 --> 01:02:03,200
you're on the forefront of this science

1651
01:02:09,750 --> 01:02:06,720
sharon it it's amazing

1652
01:02:11,510 --> 01:02:09,760
it's a lot of fun i must say i did not

1653
01:02:14,870 --> 01:02:11,520
expect this book to be

1654
01:02:16,549 --> 01:02:14,880
textbook size when i started it um

1655
01:02:18,069 --> 01:02:16,559
it just kept growing and i actually

1656
01:02:19,829 --> 01:02:18,079
wanted having to remove

1657
01:02:21,589 --> 01:02:19,839
full chapters and place them into my

1658
01:02:22,470 --> 01:02:21,599
second book which will be coming in the

1659
01:02:25,510 --> 01:02:22,480
future but

1660
01:02:29,349 --> 01:02:25,520
for now this is this is the quite

1661
01:02:31,349 --> 01:02:29,359
quite the work um this took 20 years

1662
01:02:32,829 --> 01:02:31,359
it was it didn't take me 20 years to

1663
01:02:34,150 --> 01:02:32,839
write it but it was 20 years in the

1664
01:02:36,630 --> 01:02:34,160
making um

1665
01:02:38,069 --> 01:02:36,640
it took me about the last four years to

1666
01:02:42,309 --> 01:02:38,079
put this together

1667
01:02:44,390 --> 01:02:42,319
um and it's really fascinating

1668
01:02:46,549 --> 01:02:44,400
just looking at what people believe and

1669
01:02:49,990 --> 01:02:46,559
it's it's such a wide

1670
01:02:52,950 --> 01:02:50,000
loss of different beliefs

1671
01:02:54,069 --> 01:02:52,960
and belief systems um i do go into the

1672
01:02:57,510 --> 01:02:54,079
cosmology

1673
01:02:58,549 --> 01:02:57,520
of of bigfoot researchers there's 23

1674
01:03:01,750 --> 01:02:58,559
researchers that i

1675
01:03:03,589 --> 01:03:01,760
did in-depth questionnaires with

1676
01:03:05,430 --> 01:03:03,599
and i will continue that in my next book

1677
01:03:07,829 --> 01:03:05,440
as well but um

1678
01:03:09,270 --> 01:03:07,839
this one goes into what the cosmology is

1679
01:03:11,750 --> 01:03:09,280
and you know cosmology

1680
01:03:12,549 --> 01:03:11,760
is important because it affects how the

1681
01:03:16,150 --> 01:03:12,559
bigfoot

1682
01:03:19,349 --> 01:03:16,160
researcher looks at the evidence

1683
01:03:21,270 --> 01:03:19,359
um our cosmology is you know what is how

1684
01:03:24,309 --> 01:03:21,280
is the world made and what is our place

1685
01:03:25,750 --> 01:03:24,319
in it and that can fall into you know

1686
01:03:26,870 --> 01:03:25,760
well if they're christian they may

1687
01:03:28,789 --> 01:03:26,880
believe one way

1688
01:03:31,109 --> 01:03:28,799
if they're secular they may believe

1689
01:03:32,549 --> 01:03:31,119
another way you know the universe came

1690
01:03:35,029 --> 01:03:32,559
with a big bang and there's

1691
01:03:35,829 --> 01:03:35,039
no body in seven days if you're younger

1692
01:03:38,549 --> 01:03:35,839
creationist

1693
01:03:39,349 --> 01:03:38,559
and so these if these kind of

1694
01:03:42,390 --> 01:03:39,359
backgrounds

1695
01:03:45,829 --> 01:03:42,400
their cosmology has an effect

1696
01:03:48,390 --> 01:03:45,839
on the beliefs of the individuals

1697
01:03:49,190 --> 01:03:48,400
and the researchers who research these

1698
01:03:52,470 --> 01:03:49,200
things

1699
01:03:54,470 --> 01:03:52,480
and how they behave in the field and how

1700
01:03:56,150 --> 01:03:54,480
they deal with people and how they deal

1701
01:03:58,789 --> 01:03:56,160
with

1702
01:03:59,750 --> 01:03:58,799
in their investigations and how they

1703
01:04:01,430 --> 01:03:59,760
interview people

1704
01:04:04,789 --> 01:04:01,440
and what they what how much they will

1705
01:04:08,390 --> 01:04:04,799
accept versus not accept as evidence

1706
01:04:10,950 --> 01:04:08,400
um and how they report that back again

1707
01:04:12,950 --> 01:04:10,960
and what their biases are it affects our

1708
01:04:15,510 --> 01:04:12,960
biases and so

1709
01:04:16,870 --> 01:04:15,520
um looking at that and just getting

1710
01:04:20,230 --> 01:04:16,880
people in the mindset of

1711
01:04:20,950 --> 01:04:20,240
you know how does how is talking about

1712
01:04:24,150 --> 01:04:20,960
my

1713
01:04:26,309 --> 01:04:24,160
experience

1714
01:04:28,069 --> 01:04:26,319
if i go if they go to a bigfoot

1715
01:04:29,190 --> 01:04:28,079
researcher and say this happened to me

1716
01:04:32,150 --> 01:04:29,200
they may be laughed

1717
01:04:33,589 --> 01:04:32,160
as you know that if if if that

1718
01:04:37,190 --> 01:04:33,599
researcher does not accept

1719
01:04:40,549 --> 01:04:37,200
interdimensional bigfoot um belief

1720
01:04:44,549 --> 01:04:40,559
and or the opposite you know um so

1721
01:04:47,349 --> 01:04:44,559
it's uh it's just um interesting how

1722
01:04:48,309 --> 01:04:47,359
how you have to look not just the

1723
01:04:55,270 --> 01:04:48,319
research

1724
01:04:58,309 --> 01:04:55,280
and and how all of this can twist

1725
01:05:02,710 --> 01:04:58,319
and turn and change uh based on

1726
01:05:06,870 --> 01:05:04,390
it's amazing yes that where the

1727
01:05:07,430 --> 01:05:06,880
individual stands on the mountain of

1728
01:05:09,829 --> 01:05:07,440
belief

1729
01:05:12,950 --> 01:05:09,839
of bigfoot and this this mountain of

1730
01:05:15,990 --> 01:05:12,960
belief that you have put in book form

1731
01:05:19,510 --> 01:05:16,000
you know you put so much into this

1732
01:05:22,950 --> 01:05:19,520
that you have allowed those

1733
01:05:25,349 --> 01:05:22,960
like myself more handholds

1734
01:05:26,549 --> 01:05:25,359
for the rest of us to climb the bigfoot

1735
01:05:29,829 --> 01:05:26,559
mountain of belief

1736
01:05:32,230 --> 01:05:29,839
it may have been you know one of those

1737
01:05:35,029 --> 01:05:32,240
essential needs at the same time i think

1738
01:05:38,390 --> 01:05:35,039
that from a research perspective

1739
01:05:39,270 --> 01:05:38,400
you are really delving into some things

1740
01:05:41,589 --> 01:05:39,280
that are deep

1741
01:05:43,510 --> 01:05:41,599
for example you note in your book how

1742
01:05:45,670 --> 01:05:43,520
dogs are terrified

1743
01:05:47,990 --> 01:05:45,680
um of the creature and we we do know

1744
01:05:52,549 --> 01:05:48,000
that canines can be amazing bio

1745
01:05:54,230 --> 01:05:52,559
sensors which made me randomly think

1746
01:05:55,829 --> 01:05:54,240
you know what happened to some of these

1747
01:05:57,910 --> 01:05:55,839
canines that didn't run off

1748
01:06:00,309 --> 01:05:57,920
like maybe the dire wolf you know who

1749
01:06:01,109 --> 01:06:00,319
may be elementally connected as an

1750
01:06:04,309 --> 01:06:01,119
entity or

1751
01:06:06,950 --> 01:06:04,319
entirely like the latin root or whatever

1752
01:06:07,589 --> 01:06:06,960
the word it's just bigger than my pay

1753
01:06:10,870 --> 01:06:07,599
grade

1754
01:06:13,109 --> 01:06:10,880
but i'll tell you what um the

1755
01:06:14,870 --> 01:06:13,119
the entirety and the endeavor that

1756
01:06:17,829 --> 01:06:14,880
you've accomplished here

1757
01:06:19,510 --> 01:06:17,839
is one heck of a book sharon and heroic

1758
01:06:21,270 --> 01:06:19,520
and that's why you're one of my heroes

1759
01:06:22,950 --> 01:06:21,280
and i really want to appreciate

1760
01:06:24,549 --> 01:06:22,960
your efforts and all that you've put

1761
01:06:26,470 --> 01:06:24,559
into this

1762
01:06:27,990 --> 01:06:26,480
thank you very much i really appreciate

1763
01:06:30,789 --> 01:06:28,000
that i don't even know what to say to

1764
01:06:34,470 --> 01:06:33,029
it's been an experience i just must say

1765
01:06:36,789 --> 01:06:34,480
it was way bigger

1766
01:06:37,750 --> 01:06:36,799
than i expected it to turn out and i'm

1767
01:06:41,670 --> 01:06:37,760
very pleased

1768
01:06:43,029 --> 01:06:41,680
absolutely questions bigger than

1769
01:06:46,710 --> 01:06:43,039
ourselves make us

1770
01:06:49,349 --> 01:06:46,720
bigger people so thank you and um i i

1771
01:06:51,750 --> 01:06:49,359
want to go ahead and tell our listeners

1772
01:06:53,670 --> 01:06:51,760
i i don't know what the best places to

1773
01:06:55,430 --> 01:06:53,680
uh where they can find the book i'm

1774
01:06:57,029 --> 01:06:55,440
assuming i got mine from amazon where

1775
01:07:00,150 --> 01:06:57,039
would you recommend that listeners

1776
01:07:02,390 --> 01:07:00,160
go to purchase your book yep absolutely

1777
01:07:03,910 --> 01:07:02,400
amazon is the way to go and if they want

1778
01:07:07,670 --> 01:07:03,920
an autographed copy they can

1779
01:07:10,549 --> 01:07:07,680
they can contact me um

1780
01:07:11,710 --> 01:07:10,559
you know different ways or or my website

1781
01:07:15,430 --> 01:07:11,720
at sunstar

1782
01:07:18,150 --> 01:07:15,440
solutions.com the best way

1783
01:07:19,190 --> 01:07:18,160
honestly easiest fastest cheapest is

1784
01:07:22,390 --> 01:07:19,200
amazon

1785
01:07:24,069 --> 01:07:22,400
dollars

1786
01:07:25,829 --> 01:07:24,079
and and they'll ship it to you and

1787
01:07:29,109 --> 01:07:25,839
sometimes if you have

1788
01:07:32,549 --> 01:07:29,119
you know amazon prime or or whatever

1789
01:07:34,630 --> 01:07:32,559
kindle direct publishing um allows for

1790
01:07:37,029 --> 01:07:34,640
even free downloads or cheaper downloads

1791
01:07:38,710 --> 01:07:37,039
so you can get it for 9.99 or last free

1792
01:07:40,950 --> 01:07:38,720
in some cases depending on your

1793
01:07:42,150 --> 01:07:40,960
your subscriptions so you know there's

1794
01:07:43,430 --> 01:07:42,160
no

1795
01:07:45,910 --> 01:07:43,440
there's different ways to do it in

1796
01:07:47,670 --> 01:07:45,920
different different um

1797
01:07:48,950 --> 01:07:47,680
prices so by different parts than two

1798
01:07:51,510 --> 01:07:48,960
different people so

1799
01:07:53,750 --> 01:07:51,520
uh it's pretty easy online the online is

1800
01:07:57,109 --> 01:07:53,760
the way to go

1801
01:07:58,950 --> 01:07:57,119
so epic such a great job and uh

1802
01:08:01,349 --> 01:07:58,960
yeah you just you just did a such a

1803
01:08:02,950 --> 01:08:01,359
great job of of making it happen and

1804
01:08:04,870 --> 01:08:02,960
and you fulfilled your duty in my

1805
01:08:07,910 --> 01:08:04,880
opinion very righteous

1806
01:08:11,349 --> 01:08:07,920
uh journey through the belief

1807
01:08:12,710 --> 01:08:11,359
of bigfoot and beyond and in conclusion

1808
01:08:15,430 --> 01:08:12,720
just want to say thanks for everything

1809
01:08:16,789 --> 01:08:15,440
else you do i'm amazed at all the other

1810
01:08:18,470 --> 01:08:16,799
things that you're involved with and

1811
01:08:20,149 --> 01:08:18,480
for our listeners i definitely recommend

1812
01:08:22,709 --> 01:08:20,159
they buy the book and keep up with the

1813
01:08:37,639 --> 01:08:22,719
research that you're doing

1814
01:08:48,229 --> 01:08:45,349
[Music]

1815
01:09:00,650 --> 01:08:48,239
come blast off in my time machine third

1816
01:09:06,789 --> 01:09:03,669
[Music]

1817
01:09:07,749 --> 01:09:06,799
blast off come blast off in my time

1818
01:09:09,910 --> 01:09:07,759
machine

1819
01:09:11,189 --> 01:09:09,920
third eye feeling like an invite scene

1820
01:09:20,870 --> 01:09:11,199
passed on